If dividing Europe into North and South Where does France fit?

[Odin]

I do not know much about the genetic stuff I just know based on history many Europeans are all mixed up from centuries of mingling. The royals engaged in it also as many were related.

In my opinion there are distinct looks and differences between Caucasians in each region of Europe. Northern, Eastern, Central, and Southern Europeans can all pass in their region.

my point was Italy ,I think, is the best example of country that has a multitude of subraces living there.

^ Not according to this map.

Phenotypes and subraces are sometimes misleading in definition. Even the definition of a Med Proper says it is possible for a Med to have blue eyes and blond hair. Which most people would think is a bit silly but anthropology involves so much more than many think.

But you like taxonomy threads.

[JohnSmith]

In my opinion there are distinct looks and differences between Caucasians in each region of Europe. Northern, Eastern, Central, and Southern Europeans can all pass in their region.





^ Not according to this map.



But you like taxonomy threads.

I wouldn't give to much credence to these maps, but yes you are right, all different areas have their distinct looks overall some more than others. I think most people here agree that Italy has the largest variances in Europe in looks. At least from what I have seen, they can have Meds,Dinarics,Alpine,CM and some Nordids.

I am starting to stay away from the taxonomy threads I used to be more into them when I kept up with the literature on subraces. It has been awhile since I researched them. It seems like there is disagreement among different people and some terms and definitions get outdated. Makes sense as we learn more about science things change.

I suppose my interest are changing over the years.

[Tietar]

If we were going to split Europe into North and South,, Where would you place France?

I am thinking some parts are more Southern and others Northern,, However, the Capital Paris is in the North and Belgium speaks French. France does however join the other southern EU states when they have Southern European conferences.

Greece eyes alliance of southern EU states September conference planned with France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Cyprus and Malta.

I would overall probably put France in the Northern category.

Please French members comment and join the conversation you would know more than I do for sure.

define criteria of that division, geographically France is completely south,, but following other criteria maybe it can be considered north

[rhiannon]

France has aspects of both Northern and Southern Europe. Not an easy classification IMO.

[Gold-Shekel]

France belongs to the Latin bloc, "South", "North", "East" are just children's talk to hide that Europe is divided by Ethnicity and Culture. Germanic/Nordics are the North, Latins are the South and the East is Slavs. Europe has never existed as a unitary thing.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Irrelevant discussion, soon it will fit in Africa.

[RN97]

Around 50/50 I would say, and it has nothing to do with Germanic settlement because Celts and Italics were originally Northern too, but they mixed more with Non-Indo-European Mediterranean populations descended from Neolithic farmers of Europe.

It's the same shit you and your fellow Polack Davidski claimed for Greeks before the Mycenaean Greek DNA sample showed them to be like today's Greeks. It's technically true, but why not use that for all people? In terms of genetics, no European people retained the same or even very similar genome overall compared to our IE forebears. Everyone mixed with Euro HG or farmers. It's obviously not 100% certain, but I'd probably bet my left nutsack that by the Roman Empire, they were the same as modern Italians.

[Peterski]

It's the same shit you and your fellow Polack Davidski claimed for Greeks before the Mycenaean Greek DNA sample showed them to be like today's Greeks. It's technically true, but why not use that for all people? In terms of genetics, no European people retained the same or even very similar genome overall compared to our IE forebears. Everyone mixed with Euro HG or farmers. It's obviously not 100% certain, but I'd probably bet my left nutsack that by the Roman Empire, they were the same as modern Italians.

Mycenaeans are not like today's Greeks but like today's Italians, and even that study shows it.

Also Mycenaeans have around 20% of Steppe admixture, while Minoans had zero percent.

Obviously Myceneanes were a mix of Minoans (fully Neolithic) + Proto-Greeks (lots of Steppe).

[RN97]

Mycenaeans are not like today's Greeks but like today's Italians, and even that study shows it.

Also Mycenaeans have around 20% of Steppe admixture, while Minoans had zero percent.

Obviously Myceneanes were a mix of Minoans (fully Neolithic) + Proto-Greeks (lots of Steppe).

They plotted further from steppe than today's Greeks. I can't find that study not behind a paywall, but clearly they weren't "northern" genetically. Off course they had more steppe than Minoans, I don't think anyone would deny that. My point was that by the time they did anything "Northerns" would want to claim as their achievements they already were mixed with the non-IE peoples.

[Lavrentis]

Mycenaeans are not like today's Greeks but like today's Italians, and even that study shows it.

Which study? A recent study about Mycenaeans shows that modern Greeks are about 70% similar to them.




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