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    Last summer Finnish statistics officials announced that the country's birth rate this year was on course to be among the lowest since the mid-19th century. The Family Federation of Finland tried to find out why.

    Towards the end of the 1960s the average age of a first-time mother in Finland was about 23 years old. These days, however, first-time mothers are about 29 years old and on average, first-time fathers are about 31.5 years old.

    In its so-called Family Barometer study, which the group regularly carries out, the federation raised questions about stereotypes about family life, inequality between parents and even examined people's lack of knowledge in biology.

    The group interviewed adults without children in order to ask them what family life meant to them.

    The respondents often connected family life with owning an automobile, a house and having a steady, secure job. Many told the group they'd be hesitant to start a family too early in their lives.

    In earlier family barometers many childless women cited the lack of a suitable partner as the reason behind their non-parental status.

    But now, according to the study, women said that they're not having children because they don't want to lose their freedom. Some of those women said that if they gave birth to a child they'd have to give up travelling, enjoying hobbies and spending time with friends.

    Future parents, maybe
    Despite a trend of delaying parenthood, it's still uncommon for women to say they don't want to have children at all.

    The federation says that a family barometer carried out a few years ago indicated that a childless lifestyle may be becoming the norm in Finland. However the group says the latest barometer does not support that theory.

    Anna Rotkirch, a researcher at the family federation, says that people can accidentally "sleepwalk into childlessness," in that they simply wait too long to have children.

    The fertility of women begins to decline at around the age of 25, Rotkirch says.

    Fully one-half of male respondents said they did not know the effect age has on a woman's fertility, Rotkirch said.

    This year's study found that as people wait to have their first offspring, the time between the births of each successive child have become shorter, which has led to siblings being born with smaller age differences than in previous generations.

    It is perhaps not surprising that many childless people in Finland consider parenthood to be a daily struggle of fatigue and stress.

    "When this set of circumstances is combined with people around 30 or 40 who often work a lot, and hard, it can be a recipe for problems," Rotkirch said.

    Effects of parenthood viewed differently
    For some of those hesitant about starting families, the issue of inequality between parental roles doesn't help matters, either, she said.

    "In the barometer, women wondered how much time they'd be able to take off work, while men said they reckoned that they would not be able to work as much overtime once they become fathers," Rotkirch said.

    Rotkirch suggested that young people in Finland should start to look at parenthood a bit differently. She said potential parents should consider having just one child at a time rather than waiting for sometime in the future to have several children in a short period of time.

    She also said that Finland as a society should not penalise people for having children, regardless of which stage of life they're in. As an example, Rotkirch said that students shouldn't be made to suffer economic hardships just because they decide to have a baby.

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    https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/s..._chore/9973186

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    Try before judging.
    Do what you should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumata View Post
    Try before judging.
    According to this article Finns with children are happier than childless people. So yeah, maybe they should try before judging

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antimage View Post
    According to this article Finns with children are happier than childless people. So yeah, maybe they should try before judging
    In my opinion it's very normal to be happier with children and I'd guess it for any country. But this study shows quite a different picture and so far I see no reason to believe this study.
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    Finland is very similar as many western European countries. Sad but true.
    Still blaiming only women for that development is not right and will not change anything/make any good.

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    Can you blame them? Having small, noisy, crying, whining children is a nightmare. Ghastly. You can't wait for them to shut up. Anyone who says otherwise is either a liar or has a nanny in sole charge.

    I think this is a HUGE mistake that we make as a society. New parents are told by existing parents "Kids are my life and the best thing I have ever done", when they should be told "Kids are fucking hard work, a serious responsibility, cost you money as teenagers and while they enrich your life, there's a lot of pain, worry and disappointment with the joy."

    Maybe then people would stop and think before doing what is "my right to have a cute baby" and instead think about what is "their responsibilities to bring up a well balanced person". We need to have this conversation, we need to stop the "kids are a money spinner" crap that the lower socio-economic groups have and the "having kids is my right" crap that everyone else has as they wave goodbye to their babies as they drop them at childcare for most of their lives.

    Kids are hard work and a responsibility. It's time people were told that.

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    I love being a mother. My daughter brings me such profound joy and pride...even when she is being a little shit lol. That said some people are not cut out for parenting... not for the selfish, the broke or weak of heart. I don't recommend it for everyone. The people who should be nowhere near kids end up having 10 though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissMischief View Post
    Can you blame them? Having small, noisy, crying, whining children is a nightmare. Ghastly. You can't wait for them to shut up. Anyone who says otherwise is either a liar or has a nanny in sole charge.
    Not all babies cry much. For example, I didn't
    Baby crying is the way little humans communicate to the world and it shouldn't be regarded like a disaster. Yes, baby nursing requires patience and it's going to cause problems for parents who are immature themselves.

    Kids are hard work and a responsibility. It's time people were told that.
    Yes, it's the duty of good parents to tell it to their children.


    Quote Originally Posted by dperucca View Post
    I love being a mother. My daughter brings me such profound joy and pride...even when she is being a little shit lol. That said some people are not cut out for parenting... not for the selfish, the broke or weak of heart. I don't recommend it for everyone. The people who should be nowhere near kids end up having 10 though.
    I agree with your post, except I see no real reason to take pride in the fact of being a parent if you've meant it.
    Do what you should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissMischief View Post
    Can you blame them? Having small, noisy, crying, whining children is a nightmare. Ghastly. You can't wait for them to shut up. Anyone who says otherwise is either a liar or has a nanny in sole charge.

    I think this is a HUGE mistake that we make as a society. New parents are told by existing parents "Kids are my life and the best thing I have ever done", when they should be told "Kids are fucking hard work, a serious responsibility, cost you money as teenagers and while they enrich your life, there's a lot of pain, worry and disappointment with the joy."

    Maybe then people would stop and think before doing what is "my right to have a cute baby" and instead think about what is "their responsibilities to bring up a well balanced person". We need to have this conversation, we need to stop the "kids are a money spinner" crap that the lower socio-economic groups have and the "having kids is my right" crap that everyone else has as they wave goodbye to their babies as they drop them at childcare for most of their lives.

    Kids are hard work and a responsibility. It's time people were told that.
    If everyone followed your line of thinking, then the population would disappear within a generation. Having kids should be portrayed as a great thing so that people are more likely to want to have them. You're also overestimating the naivety/ignorance of people that want to have kids.

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