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    Quote Originally Posted by MissMischief View Post
    Can you blame them? Having small, noisy, crying, whining children is a nightmare. Ghastly. You can't wait for them to shut up. Anyone who says otherwise is either a liar or has a nanny in sole charge.

    I think this is a HUGE mistake that we make as a society. New parents are told by existing parents "Kids are my life and the best thing I have ever done", when they should be told "Kids are fucking hard work, a serious responsibility, cost you money as teenagers and while they enrich your life, there's a lot of pain, worry and disappointment with the joy."

    Maybe then people would stop and think before doing what is "my right to have a cute baby" and instead think about what is "their responsibilities to bring up a well balanced person". We need to have this conversation, we need to stop the "kids are a money spinner" crap that the lower socio-economic groups have and the "having kids is my right" crap that everyone else has as they wave goodbye to their babies as they drop them at childcare for most of their lives.

    Kids are hard work and a responsibility. It's time people were told that.
    Maybe they are having hard time when they are raising them up but I think when the children are older and self-sustaining it pays off. Imagine being middle age/old with a shitty dog and childless, that sounds so miserable to me. Having a family (by family i mean real family with children) has its ups and downs but is overall fun I think.

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    Finns made highest number of babies after WW2. That is bit wierd as many young men died in war time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnish Swede View Post
    Finns made highest number of babies after WW2. That is bit wierd as many young men died in war time.
    That's the era called the 'Baby boom'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
    That's the era called the 'Baby boom'.
    Yup. It is still bit wierd as many young men had died in war. But I guess it was someway subconscious action/behave....wants to survive/help your own ethnic. I wonder there that is today....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnish Swede View Post
    Yup. It is still bit wierd as many young men had died in war. But I guess it was someway subconscious action/behave....wants to survive/help your own ethnic. I wonder there that is today....
    I dont know if it was about helping your own ethnic. My father only has one brother and my mother has 4 older sisters due to the fact that my grandparents wanted a son because they had a 2 year old baby boy that died so they gave up after her. they were old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissMischief View Post
    Can you blame them? Having small, noisy, crying, whining children is a nightmare. Ghastly. You can't wait for them to shut up.
    What a cold-hearted nightmare of a parent! Well, I guess some children can't wait for abusive and whining people, moaning about and berating children, to shut up!

    What about all the happiness, fun, cuddles, laughter, and immense love that children bring too?

    Of course children have times when they fall sick and cry, etc... like all humans have their moments. That's just human-nature. Do you drop your friends when they cry or feel sad if it gets in the way of your social life?

    You become emotionally stronger in coping with life as a result of experience, and take the good times with the bad through unconditional love... you can't just pick and choose emotions in people to suit yourself.

    If a child throws tantrums or shouts a lot for attention, then it's the parents or guardians responsibility to teach them discipline, mannerisms, and good behaviour in a developing child. You can't blame children if their parents haven't taught them good behaviour. So that's the parents responsibility, and not the fault or blame of the child.

    You was a child once too... imagine how you'd feel if your parents said you was 'ghastly' and a 'nightmare' and that they 'couldn't wait for you to shut up.' How would you feel if they were that arrogant, selfish, mean, unloving and cold-hearted?

    If everyone adopted that arrogant attitude, there will be no future generations... which you may not care about at the moment, but you would care when you're old and frail one day.

    It's only in this modern generation that young mothers who look after children, cook, run around energetically with their children, happily bathing children, lovingly reading them bedtime stories, caringly changing diapers and cleaning baby-vomit, and cleaning the home, etc... are scorned by feminists.

    So how did females manage in previous generations? During the polite, strict, and orderly Victorian era, families often had loads of children (despite the very high infant mortality rate during this era when certain vaccinations weren't available, and despite females not having labour and childbirth pain relief options,) without females moaning, grumbling, and complaining, that something as pleasurable in life such as looking after and caring for their children and grandchildren was 'too much of a chore'.

    Especially when one takes into consideration that Victorian-era females weren't as lucky, blessed, and fortunate to have all the 21st-century luxuries that spoiled and unappreciative modern females often take for granted;- such as washing-machines, vacuums, dishwashers, steam-mops, and all the huge range of affordable modern electrical devices that help to make cleaning and cooking so much more of a breeze, quicker, and a lot easier for modern-day females.... who don't need to carry large jugs of hot water from the kitchen stove just to fill a bath, nor injure and hurt their backs by hand-washing bed linen for hours, or hand-scrubbing floors for hours on their knees - thanks to all the modern home-cleaning devices and machines at their disposal.

    It's only in this modern era that lazy people now think that something so natural in nature and life, such as caring for children, (who you should love and cherish and adore,) is somehow 'too much of a chore' that will get in modern peoples way of spending money on their social life, clubbing, drinking, meaningless parties, etc.

    Taking little toddlers along to 'Little Angels' and 'One O'Clock groups' (mother and toddler social meeting groups) for a few hours each week is very pleasurable, special, and fun, and a lot of mothers go along to these groups, smiling and chatting happily with other mothers. (A bit like all the excited crowds of mothers socialising and chatting about children a lot as they wait together outside school gates to collect their children, and are eager to see their children coming out of school to happily talk to their mummies about their day.)

    It's lovely having picnics with your toddlers at these groups in the summer, and watching cute toddlers interact and bond and play with other toddlers of their own age group, with all the learning-toys and exercise playground areas in the Little Angels/parent and toddler centres and One O'Clock mother and toddler groups, and it helps toddlers learn to socialise with other toddlers prior to nursery-school age.

    Mother and baby and toddler groups allows females to socialise with other loving mothers, where parenting advice and tips and support is shared with each other, and mothers usually love discussing their children's development with other mothers, making friends in their local community with other parents, and helping each other out too. There's loads of community-run parent and children groups, so mothers don't need to feel isolated and are able to make friends by meeting other children and parents.

    It's a lovely feeling receiving lovingly hand-drawn cards from your children that they made at school on Mother's Day, and for fathers to receive loving cards to let them know they're loved and appreciated by their children on Father's Day.

    Men are also welcome to attend One O'Clock and Little Angels and parenting groups too. Sometimes single, caring, and very loving fathers have sadly lost a partner who died or something, and they can be a bit shy and so they tend to sit alone with their child when they attend these play groups - as it's mostly females who take their children to these groups, but the few men who go along to them are made to feel welcome too... and they can meet females who love children at these supportive social groups, whilst having a cup of tea and watching their child(ren) play, develop social skills, and interacting with other children their own age.

    If children were as difficult as you imply, then people wouldn't have more than 1 child... and I've often seen people with more than 1 child outside school gates, in playground parks, One O'Clock groups, etc.

    A love for children is human-nature and a natural maternal instinct. You don't see birds or other living species in nature refusing to have young ones, or refusing to busily work hard in building their nesting homes, not hunting around all day to find food to feed all their young ones, or refusing to care for their precious little ones.

    Love helps to overcome any challenges in life, and you grow emotionally stronger in learning to cope with any difficult times through experience. Having children whilst people are fertile, young, energetic, and fit, also lowers their risk in mid-life from breast cancer, ovarian cancer, etc.

    When you're old and lonely one day, with no children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, etc... and suffering from dementia, parkinson's, huntington's, or alzheimer's, etc... and all your friends and siblings have passed away... who's going to ever love and care for you in return?



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    Quote Originally Posted by ♥ Lily ♥ View Post
    What a cold-hearted and nightmare of a parent! Well, I guess some children can't wait for abusive people like that to shut up!

    What about all the happiness, fun, cuddles, laughter, and love that children bring too?

    Of course children have times when they cry... like all humans have their moments. You become emotionally stronger in coping with life as a result, and take the good times with the bad... you can't just pick and choose emotions in people to suit yourself.

    You was a child once too... imagine if your parents were that arrogant, selfish, mean, unloving and cold-hearted towards children.

    It's human-nature and a maternal instinct. Having children whilst people are fertile, energetic, and fit, also lowers their risk later in life of breast cancer, etc.

    When you're old one day, and all your friends and siblings have passed away... who's going to ever love and care for you in return?
    Lucky who marry with you.

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    How difficult can it possibly be? These people need their asses kicked/raped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ♥ Lily ♥ View Post
    What a cold-hearted and nightmare of a parent! Well, I guess some children can't wait for abusive and whiny people moaning about children like that to shut up!

    What about all the happiness, fun, cuddles, laughter, and immense love that children bring too?

    Of course children have times when they cry... like all humans have their moments. Do you drop your friends when they cry or feel sad if it gets in the way of your social life?

    You become emotionally stronger in coping with life as a result, and take the good times with the bad with unconditional love... you can't just pick and choose emotions in people to suit yourself.

    You was a child once too... imagine if your parents were that arrogant, selfish, mean, unloving and cold-hearted towards children.

    It's only in this modern generation that young mothers who stay at home looking after children and cooking and cleaning at home are scorned by feminists.

    It's only in this modern era that lazy people think that something as natural in nature as looking after your own children, who you love and cherish and adore is 'too much of a chore' that will get in the way of their social life, clubbing, parties, etc.

    A love for children is human-nature and a natural maternal instinct. You don't see birds and other living species in nature refusing to have young ones, or refusing to work to find food to feed them, or refusing to love their precious and cared-for little ones. Love overcomes any challenges in life. Having children whilst people are fertile, energetic, and fit, also lowers their risk later in life of breast cancer, etc.

    When you're old and lonely one day, and all your friends and siblings have passed away... who's going to ever love and care for you in return?
    Great post Lily! A lot of these women who have this indoctrinated career first/independent/no kids mentality fail to realize how lonely and miserable they're going to be when they get old. Opinions like the kind MissMischief has are a cancer to society.

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