Which country is worse for human rights: Turkey or Israel?

[Tooting Carmen]

Having listened today to President Erdogan speak to the Organisation of Islamic States, accusing Israel of various crimes against the Palestinians, the irony struck me that if you replaced the word 'Palestinians' with 'Kurds' then you could mostly say the same thing about Turkey itself. More generally, this is an interesting comparison, since (a) these two countries are the only two electoral democracies in the Middle East, (b) despite that, their human rights records still leave a LOT to be desired and (c) their human rights violations are linked at least in part to racism and OWD. So, taking into account not just the (mis)treatment of Palestinians and Kurds, but also other aspects such as freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, fair trials, freedom of the press etc, which of the two countries is worse?

[Cristiano viejo]

Turkrael.

[GiovanniKW]

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[Tooting Carmen]

Turkrael.

So they are as bad as each other then?

[Hamlet]

What?! How can anybody possibly put Israel here, even if you hate them

[Tooting Carmen]

What?! How can anybody possibly put Israel here, even if you hate them

Perhaps because, for various reasons (good and bad), the world media focuses more on Israel's atrocities against Palestinians than Turkey's atrocities against Kurds.

[Cristiano viejo]

So they are as bad as each other then?

Yes. Israel is the most anti-white/Europea country of the planet, while Turkey is a true danger for Europe due its immigration.

[LoLeL]

Doesn't Turkey give citizenship to many immigrants and refugees? So how it's a bad country for the non-Turks?!

[Tooting Carmen]

Doesn't Turkey give citizenship to many immigrants and refugees?

So does Israel. That is not the point. Both countries mistreat INDIGENOUS minorities in their countries.

[Cristiano viejo]

Doesn't Turkey give citizenship to many immigrants and refugees? So how it's a bad country for the non-Turks?!

Tell that in Germany