Which country is worse for human rights: Turkey or Israel?

[Tigranes]

Azerbaijan, hands down...

[sean]

Israel.

Every month, more and more people turn on Israel. They are very close to being forced to seriously answer for their constant war crimes and human rights violations over the last 70 years.

Even the current situation is just the pre-show for the next load of human rights violations Israel is about to commit.

Arab countries on the other hand are starting to get bored of the Palestinian cause (not like Hamas is a paragon of virtue), with its dysfunctional leadership and inability to compromise, principled devotion to the 'Palestinian cause' is leftover rot from the now dead Pan-Arabism movement, only wannabe Arabs like Pakis still take it seriously.

They knew that Palestinans would cause problems for them. Palestinians had caused major problems in Jordan and Lebanon by the time Egypt made peace treaty with Israel. In Jordan, PLO tried to kill the king and cabinet of Jordan, so Jordan kicked Palestinian organisations out of country. They killed around 4000 Palestinian guerillas and took 2000 more prisoner, but later released prisoners to Syrians who sent them to Lebanon. Then PLO was very involved in causing civil war in Lebanon wrecking the country for decades to come.

A lot of top people on both sides are making big money in their European bank accounts from doing only as much as allowed. Netanyahu is basically dependent at this point on an endless stream of national emergencies to keep his hold on his chair, knowing he's neck deep in corruption charges as he is (in Israel there is no immunity for politicians).

He had the COVID situation working out fine for him but now everyone's vaccinated, it's fortuitous he gets a new one on a silver platter like that. On the Palestinian side, Hamas are desperate to save face after the recent events in Jerusalem.

The whole issue is only good for amateur videos and propaganda as good as the ones ISIS used to make. Future ones would obviously be higher quality.

Spoiler!

Having listened today to President Erdogan speak to the Organisation of Islamic States, accusing Israel of various crimes against the Palestinians, the irony struck me that if you replaced the word 'Palestinians' with 'Kurds' then you could mostly say the same thing about Turkey itself.

Any facade of democracy in Turkey is long gone, and Erdogan masterfully dealt with the actual Turkish Deep State, the secularist military and Kurds by larping as a moderate, right-of-centre politician for the first 4 years, before moving against the big power groups. He sure knew how to root out competition from below.

He appoints the members of his party and, as president, chooses all judges and ministers, so he has complete control over Turkey with no check on his power. Death is the only thing that can unseat him.

Even if Erdogan was gone, the country’s laws would be shaped to make the next leader into a mostly unchecked dictator. Undoing this would take a lot of political effort in the future.

Turkey literally has no friends. They pissed off Russia, the Balkans (their intelligence agency backs Muslim separatists there) the EU, Syria, Armenia, Kurds and even most Muslim Gulf countries dislike them due to them being Ottomans and not Arabs.

Kurds had a peace process going with Erdogan and were close to achieving some level of autonomy (at this point Erdogan was even using the term Kurdistan), but they blew this opportunity when the PKK re-armed itself and foolishly attempted to occupy towns and cities. Trump on the other hand just mopped up what was left and abandoned the Kurds. Of the 14 million Kurds in Turkey, only around 50,000 are militant or separatist. The rest are just as sheep as Erdogan's electorate.

Erdogan is actually the bad cop of NATO, the tough guy who counters Russian shit foreign policy from Libya to Armenia. However, he overplayed his hand by betting that Ankara could be a serious player in the Balkans, the Levant, Libya, and the Caucasus all at once. That's a lot of overreach for a nation with no local friends. Then he got unlucky and got rebuffed in Libya, Syria, and the Aegean, all while the US is beginning to clamp down on parasitical allies.

50 nuclear missiles are located in Incirlik Air Base that is located in southern Turkey. Although it is a Turkish air base, it is also used by the US Air Force, the Royal Air Force, and others. Incirlik is mostly used as a staging post to conduct raids on ISIS in Iraq and Syria. But it still houses NATO’s nuclear stockpile of approximately 50 B-61 hydrogen bombs, which could do a considerable amount of damage.

Without Incirlik they all wouldn't be part of NATO and would have gotten their shitbox fart punched by all their neighbours twenty times over. Turkey still exists because America finds their land useful. Turkey is the one person that nobody wants to dance with in prom.

[Jaromir]

less Paleo, worse Human rights

[wvwvw]

Turkey by far!

[Super Mario]

MENA=No human rights.

[Hektor12]

Even if Erdogan was gone, the country’s laws would be shaped to make the next leader into a mostly unchecked dictator. Undoing this would take a lot of political effort in the future.

No, it will be so quick and easy you will not even believe in your eyes.

Do you want proof? Watch= How Turkish soldiers "participate" in islamic prayer when politicians invite them.



Yep, "supposedly muslim" soldiers.