Which hypothetical system is overall worse?

[Profileid]

Jimmy Carter fans are showing up finally! 'tis getting good.



So, the fact you own 2 cars (LOL as if communist countries didn't have cars) is enough to make you feel ok in regards to 1% of the population (likely no less dumber than you) hoarding 55% of the resources of your country?

When did I say I felt ok with 1% having 55%? I simply object to using this bit of rhetoric to push something as abhorrent as communism.

Also, assuming a communist country A and capitalist country B have the same amount of resources.. you'd indeed be poorer in the country B.

Total resources in country A = 10,000$, 1000 inhabitants = you get 10
Total resources in country B = 10,000$, 1000 inhabitants = 10 inhabitants get 5,500$ and you fight for the scrapped 4,500$ with the other 990

Nice elementary school math. But can you tell me how this would actually be put into practice?

If your reasoning added up, people in communist countries would have been richer than people in capitalist countries but this somehow never seemed to be the case.

[Demon Revival]

When did I say I felt ok with 1% having 55%? I simply object to using this bit of rhetoric to push something as abhorrent as communism.

So communism is more abhorrent than 1% having 55%.

[Profileid]

So communism is more abhorrent than 1% having 55%.

Absolutely.

What is doing me more harm?
1. Having my land,animals taken from me and being forced to work on a collective farm(if I'm lucky) then there's the more likely scenario of starving to death alongside my family while soldiers hoard grain a mile down the road.
Or
2. Some dude owning a private jet

[Demon Revival]

Absolutely.

What is doing me more harm?
1. Having my land,animals taken from me and being forced to work on a collective farm(if I'm lucky) then there's the more likely scenario of starving to death alongside my family while soldiers hoard grain a mile down the road.
Or
2. Some dude owning a private jet

55% of a country's resources is more than a private jet.

[paprika]

But what makes you think those who are more innately intelligent or more hardworking weren't adequately rewarded in socialist system?

you're right i don't know enough about the socialist system of the eastern bloc to adequately debate its virtues, i only go by stereotypes from american conservatives and the mentality of western sjw leftists. there probably is more to it that i don't know, and also of course there is more to reward than material reward but also social status, etc.

however, complete equality like the op described would definitely seem like a disaster. personally i'm still of the opinion that equality of outcome (not equality under the law) is an abhorrent idea, although i'm not some sort of libertarian who is against any state action

[Profileid]

55% of a country's resources is more than a private jet.

Shit answer. If your hypothetical system is so great you should have a more compelling argument than that

[Demon Revival]

Shit answer. If your hypothetical system is so great you should have a more compelling argument than that

If your hypothetical system was so great then 1% wouldn't have half of it while the rest of you fight for scraps.

[Sarmatian]

you're right i don't know enough about the socialist system of the eastern bloc to adequately debate its virtues, i only go by stereotypes from american conservatives and the mentality of western sjw leftists. there probably is more to it that i don't know, and also of course there is more to reward than material reward but also social status, etc.

however, complete equality like the op described would definitely seem like a disaster.

Complete equality of material wealth distribution would be disaster if enforced upon modern humans. However there are two elements to consider. Firstly complete equality is only realistically possible if full automatization of distribution system is implemented and currently we're far from it. Secondly human mentality is flexible and subject to change so by the time fully automated distribution system become reality people will be different in their views on material wealth. That is if we extrapolate its current growth and availability.

[Sarmatian]

1. Having my land,animals taken from me and being forced to work on a collective farm(if I'm lucky) then there's the more likely scenario of starving to death alongside my family while soldiers hoard grain a mile down the road.

There are few facts to investigate:

1. Kulaks were rural usurers. They made their wealth exclusively by lending arable land/equipment/seeds to poorer farmers and charging interests like 200%.
2. Vast majority of peasants were happy to join collective farms.
3. Famines were regular occurrence in Russian Empire long before Commies had taken power. Quite often reasons behind them were peasants had nothing to eat after paying interest to kulaks. Collective farms were exactly the institution that stopped famines once and for all.

[Profileid]

If your hypothetical system was so great then 1% wouldn't have half of it while the rest of you fight for scraps.

Fucking TELL ME THIS INSTANT how people in the United States with cars,houses, have never gone hungry a day in their lives are "fighting for scraps"