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    Quote Originally Posted by Fractal View Post
    They didn't leave any genetic legacy in Gujarat.
    Yes, Scythians genetic imprint in India is nearly 0% and there weren't too many of them who came to India. However we have some stupid Indian historians and some stupid people from India claiming making fake and unfounded assertions on their ancestry India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ButlerKing View Post
    Yes, Scythians genetic imprint in India is nearly 0% and there weren't too many of them who came to India. However we have some stupid Indian historians and some stupid people from India claiming making fake and unfounded assertions on their ancestry India.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ButlerKing View Post
    Yes, Scythians genetic imprint in India is nearly 0% and there weren't too many of them who came to India. However we have some stupid Indian historians and some stupid people from India claiming making fake and unfounded assertions on their ancestry India.
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    Basically every people living in the modern steppes can claim Scythian descent.



    Given for each contemporary sample are pie-charts representing the model posteriors for descent from western
    Scythians (black), descent from eastern Scythians (grey) ancestral relatedness to western Scythians (red) or eastern Scythian groups
    (green). Also given are the approximate locations of the ancient DNA samples and the historical range of Iron Age Scythian tribes
    (orange area). See Supplementary Table 19 for detailed information on contemporary populations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ButlerKing View Post
    I got this source from the other thread. Not sure what it means

    They seem to be from 10-65% Mongoloid according to that apricity member.

    They are basically a mix of EHG, CHG and East Eurasian.

    Scythian_Pazyryk 1: 65% East Eurasian
    Scythian_Pazyryk 2: 55% East Eurasian
    Scythian_AldyBel 1: 30% East Eurasian
    Scythian_AldyBel 2: 50% East Eurasian
    Scythian_ZevakinoChilikta 1: 25% East Eurasian
    Scythian_ZevakinoChilikta 2: 50% East Eurasian
    Scythian_Samara: 12% East Eurasian
    Sarmatian: 10% East Eurasian

    The light blue and Yellow are suppose to represent Mongoloid admixture that are found in Chinese, Korean and other Asian population.

    As you can you they seem extremely high on those Scythian populations
    That means that their West Eurasian admixture was most likely derived directly from Yamnaya or a very closely related population, look how their non-East Eurasian component corresponds very well to the one from Samara_IA. This is why the best proxy for a Scythian in modern days would be a Lithuanian, which is the modern population with the highest affinity to Yamnaya-Samara, with some variable Siberian or Amerindian admixture, which introduce the East Eurasian admixture and augments the ANE affinity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Token View Post
    Scythians had around 80% Yamnaya-related and 20% Han-like ancestry with variations across the steppes, but all of them without exception had some East Asian, with it being stronger in eastern groups. The best modern proxy for a average Scythian would be a 80% Lithuanian + 20% Siberian/Amerindian individual.
    What is your source for this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anglojew View Post
    What is your source for this?
    https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms14615
    Genomic inference reveals that Scythians in the east and the west of the steppe zone can best be described as a mixture of Yamnaya-related ancestry and an East Asian component. Demographic modelling suggests independent origins for eastern and western groups with ongoing gene-flow between them, plausibly explaining the striking uniformity of their material culture. We also find evidence that significant gene-flow from east to west Eurasia must have occurred early during the Iron Age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Token View Post
    https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms14615
    Genomic inference reveals that Scythians in the east and the west of the steppe zone can best be described as a mixture of Yamnaya-related ancestry and an East Asian component. Demographic modelling suggests independent origins for eastern and western groups with ongoing gene-flow between them, plausibly explaining the striking uniformity of their material culture. We also find evidence that significant gene-flow from east to west Eurasia must have occurred early during the Iron Age.
    Thanks. I think the Sarmatians were the Mongoloid-admixed Scythians (which correlates with Heroditus)
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    f-statistics
    We used f4-statistics of the form f4(Test, LBK; EHG, Mbuti) and f4(Test, LBK; Han, Mbuti), which are zero for those Test samples that form a clade with LBK and positive for populations that have EHG- or Han-related ancestry, respectively. We plotted the results against each other, which resulted in a V-shaped pattern with Yamnaya at the apex (Fig. 6). The Iron Age Scythians are arrayed along a cline from Yamnaya to Ami (a population of East Asian ancestry that experienced no admixture), consistent with having ancestry from populations genetically similar to these two groups


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    As you can you they seem extremely high on those Scythian populations

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    https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms14615/figures/6
    Current R1b samples found in -Yamnaya-3300–2600 BC, Afanasievo-3300 BCE — 2500 BCE, Vucedol-3000 BC – 2200 BC, Catacomb-2800–2200 BC, Bell Beaker-2800–1800 BCE, Poltavka-2700—2100 BC, Scythian-9th century BC up until the 4th century AD, Sarmatian-4th, 3rd and 2nd centuries BCE....

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