Map of J2b2-L283

[Laberia]

Yeah but when we settled the area we described the Mavriqi as being short, dark, ugly barbarians who were dirty so that fits in with the average Slav man

There are Mavriçi in Fier. They were expelled by servs and King Zog settled them there. They are exactly dark and short. I don't know if they have slavic ancestry. In Fier you can find many Albanians from Kosova. Kuç, Krasniq, Kastrati, Gashi, Backa, Shala, Kabashi, etc.

[Laberia]

Albanians originally were called Arbereshe and Arberor possibly stemming from a version of the word Alban. Arvanites are basically medieval Albanians iirc like the Arbereshe

No. There was an Illyrian tribe Arb. At least from middle age, our ancestors called themselves Arbër. Arvanites, Albanites, Albanese, Arbanasi, etc, are exonymus, it's how the others called us. Në greqisht germa b lexohet v.

[Laberia]

Yh I believe we stem from a small community who evolved in the mountains as shown by language and genetics

I don't know what genetics show, but language don't show that we stem from a small community.

[Kelmendasi]

There are Mavriçi in Fier. They were expelled by servs and King Zog settled them there. They are exactly dark and short. I don't know if they have slavic ancestry. In Fier you can find many Albanians from Kosova. Kuç, Krasniq, Kastrati, Gashi, Backa, Shala, Kabashi, etc.

Didn’t many Dibrans settle in the south as well?

[Laberia]

Didn’t many Dibrans settle in the south as well?

Dibrans during the XX century settled mostly in Tirana, Elbasan and Fier.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

How old were the palesgian people? When did they exist?

[Kelmendasi]

How old were the palesgian people? When did they exist?

They were in Greece before the Hellenic speakers came about so they were probably living during the early Bronze Age and I think were probably related in one way or the other to the Minoans and other pre-Greek peoples in Greece. I doubt they are linked to J2b2-L283 though, they seem to be more linked to J2a

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

They were in Greece before the Hellenic speakers came about so they were probably living during the early Bronze Age and I think were probably related in one way or the other to the Minoans and other pre-Greek peoples in Greece. I doubt they are linked to J2b2-L283 though, they seem to be more linked to J2a

Theres sardinian J-L283. i think its JYP157. Its a very basal group of J-L283

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

https://www.yfull.com/sardinians/

[Kelmendasi]

Theres sardinian J-L283. i think its JYP157. Its a very basal group of J-L283

Yh it's a downstream of J-Z600 and seems to be pretty basal.