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    Default Does Buddhism have Central Eurasian roots?

    by Johannes Bronkhorst, Lausanne

    This paper deals with one aspect of Christopher Beckwith’s
    claim (Empires of the Silk Road) that most of the classical civili-
    zations of Eurasia have Central Eurasian roots by concentrating
    on Buddhism. The wide-spread use of stūpas and similar tumuli
    in the subcontinent is taken as a possible continuation of a Cen-
    tral Eurasian custom. The conclusion reached is that it is diffi-
    cult to establish the connection between the Central Eurasian
    and the South Asian customs with certainty.


    There can be no doubt that Central Eurasia exerted an influence on Indian
    religions. The fact that the Vedic language is Indo-European reveals its
    prehistoric connection with Central Eurasia, as do various features of Ve-
    dic mythology.
    The situation is less straightforward in the case of Buddhism. The funda-
    mental doctrinal position without which Buddhism would not have arisen
    is the belief in rebirth and karmic retribution. Buddhism shares this belief
    with Jainism and other religious movements. Indologists thought for a long
    time that the belief in rebirth and karmic retribution arose in Vedic circles
    as a result of inner-Vedic religious developments. Seen this way, Buddhism
    and Jainism are expressions of developments in and of Vedic religion. If,
    therefore, Vedic religion shows clear traces of its ultimately Central Eura-
    sian origins, Buddhism and Jainism are no more than further continuations
    of developments that can in the end be traced back to Central Eurasia.

    I have argued in other publications that this picture of the background of
    Buddhism and Jainism is not correct. The belief in rebirth and karmic re-
    tribution did not develop inside Vedic religion. It rather existed, at the be-
    ginning of historical time, outside it in a region where Vedic religion held
    Does Buddhism have Central Eurasian roots?
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    no sway; this region I call Greater Magadha. In that region Buddhism and
    Jainism arose as responses to the there wide-spread belief in rebirth and kar
    -
    mic retribution. Subsequently this same belief also came to influence Vedic
    religion, and finds therefore expression in a few late-Vedic texts.
    2
    This leaves us with the question where we have to look to find the roots
    of Buddhism (and Jainism). Since the languages in which these religions
    found expression were Indo-Aryan from the beginning, we are tempted
    to look for Central Eurasian roots for these religions, too. Since both the-
    se religions are responses to the belief in rebirth and karmic retribution,
    one would like to know whether this belief was already held by at least
    some speakers of Indo-European languages before they entered India. To
    my knowledge, there is no convincing way to answer this question either
    positively or negatively.

    However, there are other features of Central Eurasian Culture that may
    have been continued in Buddhism
    . I am thinking of the defining feature of
    the so-called Kurgan hypothesis, which “remains the single most popular
    solution to the Indo-European homeland problem”

    According to this hypothesis, the tumuli, also called kurgans,

    that have been found in Central Eurasia, belonged to speakers of Indo-
    European languages. The hypothesis I wish to consider is that these same
    kurgans were the ancestors of Buddhist stūpas
    .

    full article:
    https://serval.unil.ch/resource/serv...22846.P001/REF


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacques de Imbelloni View Post
    by Johannes Bronkhorst, Lausanne

    This paper deals with one aspect of Christopher Beckwith’s
    claim (Empires of the Silk Road) that most of the classical civili-
    zations of Eurasia have Central Eurasian roots by concentrating
    on Buddhism. The wide-spread use of stūpas and similar tumuli
    in the subcontinent is taken as a possible continuation of a Cen-
    tral Eurasian custom. The conclusion reached is that it is diffi-
    cult to establish the connection between the Central Eurasian
    and the South Asian customs with certainty.


    There can be no doubt that Central Eurasia exerted an influence on Indian
    religions. The fact that the Vedic language is Indo-European reveals its
    prehistoric connection with Central Eurasia, as do various features of Ve-
    dic mythology.
    The situation is less straightforward in the case of Buddhism. The funda-
    mental doctrinal position without which Buddhism would not have arisen
    is the belief in rebirth and karmic retribution. Buddhism shares this belief
    with Jainism and other religious movements. Indologists thought for a long
    time that the belief in rebirth and karmic retribution arose in Vedic circles
    as a result of inner-Vedic religious developments. Seen this way, Buddhism
    and Jainism are expressions of developments in and of Vedic religion. If,
    therefore, Vedic religion shows clear traces of its ultimately Central Eura-
    sian origins, Buddhism and Jainism are no more than further continuations
    of developments that can in the end be traced back to Central Eurasia.

    I have argued in other publications that this picture of the background of
    Buddhism and Jainism is not correct. The belief in rebirth and karmic re-
    tribution did not develop inside Vedic religion. It rather existed, at the be-
    ginning of historical time, outside it in a region where Vedic religion held
    Does Buddhism have Central Eurasian roots?
    149
    no sway; this region I call Greater Magadha. In that region Buddhism and
    Jainism arose as responses to the there wide-spread belief in rebirth and kar
    -
    mic retribution. Subsequently this same belief also came to influence Vedic
    religion, and finds therefore expression in a few late-Vedic texts.
    2
    This leaves us with the question where we have to look to find the roots
    of Buddhism (and Jainism). Since the languages in which these religions
    found expression were Indo-Aryan from the beginning, we are tempted
    to look for Central Eurasian roots for these religions, too. Since both the-
    se religions are responses to the belief in rebirth and karmic retribution,
    one would like to know whether this belief was already held by at least
    some speakers of Indo-European languages before they entered India. To
    my knowledge, there is no convincing way to answer this question either
    positively or negatively.

    However, there are other features of Central Eurasian Culture that may
    have been continued in Buddhism
    . I am thinking of the defining feature of
    the so-called Kurgan hypothesis, which “remains the single most popular
    solution to the Indo-European homeland problem”

    According to this hypothesis, the tumuli, also called kurgans,

    that have been found in Central Eurasia, belonged to speakers of Indo-
    European languages. The hypothesis I wish to consider is that these same
    kurgans were the ancestors of Buddhist stūpas
    .

    full article:
    https://serval.unil.ch/resource/serv...22846.P001/REF

    I think it probably started in afghanistan, theres a lot of evidence for this in wiki

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