How do you feel about birth control?

[Bobby Martnen]

Me and RMuller were arguing about it in another thread, so I thought I'd make this poll - please also comment your reasons for your opinion

[SkyBurn]

Even in the most conservative parts of history and the world, non-religious mandated sex was rampant. Teaching abstinence as birth control has been disastrous in the US. So are you happy for your taxes to sharply rise? To subsidise the lives of unwanted children people won't want or be able to afford? If not, then you're not pro-life, you're just pro-spite, and are willing to see the net happiness of your country drop for religious beliefs you're forcing on others.

[Bobby Martnen]

Even in the most conservative parts of history and the world, non-religious mandated sex was rampant.

What is non-religious mandated sex? I've never heard that phrase before

Teaching abstinence as birth control has been disastrous in the US.

Only because we did it halfway. Even if we teach abstinence, the existence of various contraceptives and abortion reduces the importance our youth place on it.If promiscuity truly meant a very good chance at an unwanted child you couldn't get rid of, more teenagers and young adults would keep it in their pants.

So are you happy for your taxes to sharply rise? To subsidise the lives of unwanted children people won't want or be able to afford?

Those children would eventually become taxpayers, which would allow us to fund our retirement programs without importing millions of foreigners.

If not, then you're not pro-life, you're just pro-spite, and are willing to see the net happiness of your country drop for religious beliefs you're forcing on others.

Some women may not like having huge families, but it would be better for society as a whole and the mothers in the long run

[SkyBurn]

What is non-religious mandated sex? I've never heard that phrase before

Hyphen was in the wrong place. I meant non religious-mandated sex. So sex outside of marriage.

Only because we did it halfway. Even if we teach abstinence, the existence of various contraceptives and abortion reduces the importance our youth place on it.If promiscuity truly meant a very good chance at an unwanted child you couldn't get rid of, more teenagers and young adults would keep it in their pants.

You can't honestly believe that. Statistics show that teaching abstinence has been a resounding failure. In America, in Africa, everywhere. Telling people not to do something never works, it just makes it all the worse when it inevitably happens and doesn't give them the proper skills to prevent things like STIs and unwanted pregnancy. I won't even touch the health risks of backalley abortions.

Those children would eventually become taxpayers, which would allow us to fund our retirement programs without importing millions of foreigners.

HA! Because children born to low-socioeconomic families without the money or culture to encourage proper education will improve society?

Some women may not like having huge families, but it would be better for society as a whole and the mothers in the long run

You want to turn women into involuntary breeding cows to punish them? Does this not sound at all dystopic to you? Not everybody believes in hardcore christian values, do you not see any issue with forcing that upon them? No empathy for their situation whatsoever?

[wvwvw]

Birth control is absolutely necessary.

Without it the world would be full of unhappy children. There would be a lot more mixed race children, more unhappy relationships, the list is endless.

And there's a limit to how many times a woman can become pregnant before it takes a toll on your body and health. To have a baby takes 9 months of your life and isn't the easiest thing in the world. Many women would be very unhappy with having many children.

[Magnolia]

What exactly do you mean by "birth control" hormonal contraception only?

[Bobby Martnen]

Hyphen was in the wrong place. I meant non religious-mandated sex. So sex outside of marriage.

Makes sense

You can't honestly believe that. Statistics show that teaching abstinence has been a resounding failure. In America, in Africa, everywhere. Telling people not to do something never works, it just makes it all the worse when it inevitably happens and doesn't give them the proper skills to prevent things like STIs and unwanted pregnancy. I won't even touch the health risks of backalley abortions.

In religious communities like the Amish or Orthodox Jews, there is very little premarital sex. The problem is that a lot of American kids don't get chastity ingrained in them from a young age.

HA! Because children born to low-socioeconomic families without the money or culture to encourage proper education will improve society?

They could pick our crops instead of importing millions of Mexicans, most of whom are either incapable or unwilling to assimilate.

You want to turn women into involuntary breeding cows to punish them? Does this not sound at all dystopic to you? Not everybody believes in hardcore christian values, do you not see any issue with forcing that upon them? No empathy for their situation whatsoever?

Women who respect their bodies enough to remain chaste will not have these problems. The way I see it, if you want to sleep around, you should be willing to suffer the consequences.

[Bobby Martnen]

Birth control is absolutely necessary.

Then why were we fine without it for thousands of years?

Without it the world would be full of unhappy children.

Debatable. Do you have any evidence children were unhappier back before it was invented?

There would be a lot more mixed race children

There's nothing wrong with that, some of the best people I've known were biracial

More unhappy relationships, the list is endless.

I don't think there's such a thing as a happy relationships. All relationships are unhappy, it's just a question of how unhappy they are.

And there's a limit to how many times a woman can become pregnant before it takes a toll on your body and health. To have a baby takes 9 months of your life and isn't the easiest thing in the world. Many women would be very unhappy with having many children.

Then they shouldn't have sex when they're not interested in conceiving.

[Bobby Martnen]

What exactly do you mean by "birth control" hormonal contraception only?

Pretty much everything except for natural methods

[Bet012]

Birth control pills should exist for man condoms are just not enough pleassure.