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  • Jutland Peninsula

    2 8.70%
  • Scandinavian Peninsula

    0 0%
  • Iberian Peninsula

    9 39.13%
  • Apennine Peninsula

    5 21.74%
  • Balkan Peninsula

    7 30.43%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viriato View Post
    One thing that all successful British colonies have in common is that their native people is nearly extinct or absent, be it in the U.S.A. or Australia per example. That way the process of settling and starting an orderly colony was easier. Is that the different approach you're talking about?

    Their African, Asian and Middle-Eastern colonies where they were not able to do so are a complete mess and far worse than Latin America in most cases.
    That's certainly one important factor but not the only one.

    Iberians reached new lands and only cared about sending resources back to Europe. They didn't care for development of new nations, in fact the colonials had a minimal settled ruling class that took all lands for their own, leaving natives and blacks basically working for them as slaves in infra-human conditions. That's where the division of class in Latin America started; a white minority with power ruling over all kind of poor and uneducated mestizos and mulatos. These differences and abuses from the white ruling class has caused major rebellions and political unsuitability since then, and even nowadays in some cases it's hard to see a light at the end of the tunnel.

    On the other hand, the english colonies wanted to actually live and progress in the new found land, and did everything in their power to succeed, giving away lands to their own people, promoting immigration and positive laws, building successful countries. Of course to achieve that, they had to commit a massive genocide of natives and enslavement of blacks. But the combination of both things is what made english colonies to quickly success as developed countries.

    But as I said, it's not like iberians didn't abuse in every way of natives and blacks as well, they just didn't have the will or vision to purposely wipe them off and take the lands for their own like it happened with the english colonies. (by all means Im NOT defending that action, just analyzing). They just wanted to flee back to Europe and sell the goods they found in these new rich lands and create convenient ties with the small ruling class that remained in LA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annie999 View Post
    That's certainly one important factor but not the only one.

    Iberians reached new lands and only cared about sending resources back to Europe.
    British colonials did the same as well for the most part until the U.S. proclaimed its independence. Their independence struggle started exactly because they did not want to be taxed anymore by the British crown. Due to that and after that, they changed their approach in many of their colonies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Annie999 View Post
    They didn't care for development of new nations, in fact the colonials had a minimal settled ruling class that took all lands for their own, leaving natives and blacks basically working for them as slaves in infra-human conditions.
    That might have been the case for ex-Spanish colonies, since they lost the control of them way earlier than the Portuguese did. Let me remind you that we were the first global Empire and the last one. Our last colony was granted back to China only in 1999 (Macau), which happens to be richest city in China after Hong Kong.
    Portuguese colonies in Africa were granted their independence in 1975, huge development efforts and infrastructures were built in such countries and they were some of the most advanced and peaceful nations in Africa back in the day. Natives were as Portuguese as any other Portuguese. So much that Luanda in Angola per example, was more progressive than Lisbon, the capital of the Empire.

    Quote Originally Posted by Annie999 View Post
    That's where the division of class in Latin America started; a white minority with power ruling over all kind of poor and uneducated mestizos and mulatos. These differences and abuses from the white ruling class has caused major rebellions and political unsuitability since then, and even nowadays in some cases it's hard to see a light at the end of the tunnel.
    Every country that has a multitude of different ethnic backgrounds has the same problem, be it in Latin America, the U.S. or Sweden. It's not really because of the Iberian division of classes but mostly because there is a clash of civilization between such groups that differ in values, religions and socio-cultural backgrounds.

    Quote Originally Posted by Annie999 View Post
    On the other hand, the english colonies wanted to actually live and progress in the new found land, and did everything in their power to succeed, giving away lands to their own people, promoting immigration and positive laws, building successful countries. Of course to achieve that, they had to commit a massive genocide of natives and enslavement of blacks. But the combination of both things is what made english colonies to quickly success as developed countries.
    Yes, most British settlers did want to have a life in the New World and that's because they were the equivalent of what we would call nowadays a "refugee". Most of them were religiously persecuted in Europe and found harbor on the New World. Iberian settlers on the other hand did not come to Latin America because of persecution. The Portuguese settlers for the most part used to see themselves in a missionary mission to spread and propagate Christianity among the natives, instead of just merely wiping them out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Annie999 View Post
    But as I said, it's not like iberians didn't abuse in every way of natives and blacks as well, they just didn't have the will or vision to purposely wipe them off and take the lands for their own like it happened with the english colonies. (by all means Im NOT defending that action, just analyzing).
    Some of those nations are independent for nearly three centuries, it is kinda pointless to keep on blaming Iberians for what goes on in there after so many generations have passed. Besides Uruguay seems to be on the right path.
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    ^ Dont take it personal, Im not referring particularly to Portugal nor Uruguay. Im speaking about the characteristics of the iberian colonization in general and the different mentality in comparison to the english settlers that lead to a different outcome (your response seemed to be kinda defensive).

    And yes, 300 years have passed but the foundations done by the iberians to project future countries were extremelly poor (unlike the englishmen), and as I explained the consequences are still palpable nowadays, in some countries more than others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annie999 View Post
    ^ Dont take it personal, Im not referring particularly to Portugal nor Uruguay. Im speaking about the characteristics of the iberian colonization in general and the different mentality in comparison to the english settlers that lead to a different outcome (your response seemed to be kinda defensive).

    And yes, 300 years have passed but the foundations done by the iberians to project future countries were extremelly poor (unlike the englishmen), and as I explained the consequences are still palpable nowadays, in some countries more than others.
    Not defensive but explanatory. Some Brazilians also tend to blame Portugal for some of their deep rooted problems, so I am assuming that other South Americans do the same with Spain as well.
    I just tried to give my perspective, because most Latin Americans tend to put the Brits in a pedestal and try to replicate everything they do (Brazil is like a copy of the U.S. in many aspects) while looking down upon Iberians. The irony is that most of them wouldn't even exist or be alive had they been colonized by the Brits as they seem to prefer.
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    Voted for Italy because it is the home of PAVAROTTI

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    Balkan Peninsula aka Helm Peninsula.

    It's a place where European civilization emerged.

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    Balkans obviously

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    Italic and Iberian



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    Iberian=Apennine>Balkan>Scandanavian=Jutland

    Iberia has surely been the most prominent in modern history, Apennine more so in ancient times as was the Balkans.

    On a side note, the entirety of Europe itself is a peninsula of Asia.

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