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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel von Rethelsky View Post
    So explain me, how saying "could be" means: "this is only one possible option" - as you did read.
    Like I said. The structure of your sentences are so off in English, its hard to tell whether you mean one thing or the other. Also most of your threads seems to be structured with some sense of "certainty" on your part. Is it a Polish thing? Because I can't seem to understand why someone with a weak grasp in the English language is going to argue the English language with a English born speaker. Learn to structure your sentences properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    Why do you keep changing your Ydna and ethnicity? First I thought someone with a similar avatar but it’s not lol.
    I can't agree with R1ethelites, I live in Rethelistan and I see what's is going on on daily basis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    Like I said. The structure of your sentences are so off in English, its hard to tell whether you mean one thing or the other. Also most of your threads seems to be structured with some sense of "certainty" on your part. Is it a Polish thing? Because I can't seem to understand why someone with a weak grasp in the English language is going to argue the English language with a English born speaker. Learn to structure your sentences properly.
    If you cant understand me, why do you argue?

    Btw, it is very pathetic for other non-english-native useres, to talk about
    language skills of others, when they made stupidity or have no arguments.

    HOW MUCH MORE IT IS TRUTH IN THE CASE OF A GUY CLAIMING TO BE NATURAL SPEAKER!

    Just stop ashaming yourself - especially in such clear and trivial matter.
    Don;t pretend, that you do not understand the fraze "could be", really.
    You are embarassing yourself, claiming in addition, that you are english genius.

    Btw, how much more stupid arguments do you yet have against yourself?
    Now you act like a woman. Insted of facing the matter, you are talking about my english.

    I speak as I can and I will not change it in one second. And I leared myslef just in last couple
    of last years, so expecting me to be perfect as you who was raised in english, is just moronic...
    It is just like having to a blind man an accusation that he is blind. This is your level. Pathetic.

    Especially that it was your fault, not mine, becasue everyone here can understand the fraze "could be".

    Now please, elaborate again, how wrong is my english, and how you are sacrificing yourself to read it.
    Probably you have to repeat it 100 times, becauae until 99 I will not know it... So, I am waiting, enlight me again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel von Rethelsky View Post
    If you cant understand me, why do you argue?

    Btw, it is very pathetic for other non-english-native useres, to talk about
    language skills of others, when they made stupidity or have no arguments.

    HOW MUCH MORE IT IS TRUTH IN THE CASE OF A GUY CLAIMING TO BE NATURAL SPEAKER!

    Just stop ashaming yourself - especially in such clear and trivial matter.
    Don;t pretend, that you do not understand the fraze "could be", really.
    You are embarassing yourself, claiming in addition, that you are english genius.

    Btw, how much more stupid arguments do you yet have against yourself?
    Now you act like a woman. Insted of facing the matter, you are talking about my english.

    I speak as I can, and I leared myslef just in last couple of years, and I will not change it in one second.
    It is just like having to a blind man an accusation that he is blind. This is your level. Pathetic.

    Especially that it was your fault, not mine, becasue evenone here can understand the fraze "could be".

    Now please, elaborate again, how wrong is my english, and how you are sacrificing yourself to read it.
    probably you have to repeat it 100 times, becauae until 99 I will not know it... So, I am waiting, enlight me.
    You must love reading/hearing yourself speak. Rabble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    You must love reading/hearing yourself speak. Rabble.
    Aha... and I am waiting for the answer on my question.
    You quoted it - and later was you speaking about totaly different topic.
    So, I am waiting. If you have problem with such simple question, ask somebody to help you.

    Or it is your speciality - quoting the fragment, and talking about something else,
    and later accusing somebody of wrong language skills - especially somebody, who
    obviously never will speak on your level from obvious reasons...

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    Ancient samples of R1a-CTS1211 (M558) and R1a-Z92:

    https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post4939552

    Spiginas2, Lithuania, 2130-1750 BC, Early Bronze Age, R1a-Z280>M558

    https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post4939632

    Turlojiske3, Lithuania, 1010–800 BC, Bronze Age, R1a-Z280>Z92>YP617

    M558 is carried by around 1/5 of Polish men and Z92 is carried by ca. 1/24 to 1/20 of Polish men.

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    There is probably less Z92 than 4-5% among Poles, although in northeastern (and maybe eastern) part of Poland share of Z92 may be above 5% due to Baltic and East Slavic ancestry of inhabitants of that part of Poland. But among population of Lesser Poland, Greater Poland, Silesia, Pomerania, (southern) Mazovia Z92 appears to be rare.

    YP617 was found in Bulgaria (YP617*), Slovakia (Y29965) and Czech Republic (YP1700): https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP617/. TMRCA of YP617 is in my opinion larger than 3400 ybp. #256253 in FTDNA from Bosnia and Herzegovina is confirmed as YP617 (map of R1a branches from FTDNA project: https://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1a?iframe=ymap).

    YP617 was also found in Scandinavia (Denmark and Sweden). In Sweden a branch of Y29965 and a branch of YP1700 were found. There is also YP617 from Ratzeburg, Schleswig-Holstein (#335467). #342710 from (central?) Germany is YP569+. #408875 from northern Germany was classified as YP617>YP573>YP569>YP575>Y11268-x2.

    #N2278 from Poland is YP1700+ (although I suppose that it may be associated with Balts here). Another YP617 sample was found in Poznań (#147875, probably YP617>YP573>YP569>YP575>Y11268).

    So YP617 appears to be Slavic haplogroup also, not (only) Baltic.
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    I have no idea...

    Maybe some old. IndoEuropean, ProtoSlavic, Sarmat. Possibly 3000 BC old.
    Maybe some new. Newer Slavic and other immigration 500AD.
    Maybe the new waves were just old ones with Slavic language.

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    In Poland another branch of Z92 was found - Z280>Z92>Z685>YP270>CTS4648>YP1408>YP1405*-A-x (#N54193 from eastern Greater Poland voivodeship and #446468 from eastern Lesser Poland voivodeship), but I suppose that this lineage is Baltic (rather West Baltic), not Slavic.

    I think that vast majority of Polish R1a come from the east of what is today Poland (from middle Dnieper basin). Some clades of R1a may be Baltic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lyakh View Post
    In Poland another branch of Z92 was found - Z280>Z92>Z685>YP270>CTS4648>YP1408>YP1405*-A-x (#N54193 from eastern Greater Poland voivodeship and #446468 from eastern Lesser Poland voivodeship), but I suppose that this lineage is Baltic (rather West Baltic), not Slavic.

    I think that vast majority of Polish R1a come from the east of what is today Poland (from middle Dnieper basin). Some clades of R1a may be Baltic.
    All Z92 are mainly Slavicized Balts.

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