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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    Ottoman Empire was successor state to Roman Empire.
    It was not. The Ottoman state found its historical continuity with their nomadic ancestry from central Asia and with the originally Arabic Islam, hardly with the Christian Romans. The latter seemed to have perpetually remained as a conquered , subjugated and largely unassimilated alien population for the former.

    If anything, it was a sharper, more violent break than in most similar conquests over the history of that general region of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic View Post
    Nice cherrypicking wouldn't change the reallity.
    Are you fully retarded or what? how do you accuse me of cherrypicking, idiot, having done the same?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic View Post
    You aren't in position to act like you're European knight, as long as in your country you have many Berberoid settlements.
    Again the pot calling the kettle black ... said the guy that use an European knight as avatar, as long as your country, the 100% of it, was fully Ottomanized

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    And you about this?

    No hot chick seemingly getting shagged by the woggiest Andalusian imaginable with a funny moustache and upperlip. Disappointing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    Are you fully retarded or what? how do you accuse me of cherrypicking, idiot, having done the same?


    Again the pot calling the kettle black ... said the guy that use an European knight as avatar, as long as your country, the 100% of it, was fully Ottomanized
    It isn't European knight. It seems you are not very familiar with ancient warrior packs, before Christianity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wvwvw View Post
    It was not. The Ottoman state found its historical continuity with their nomadic ancestry from central Asia and with the originally Arabic Islam, hardly with the Christian Romans. The latter seemed to have perpetually remained as a conquered , subjugated and largely unassimilated alien population for the former.

    If anything, it was a sharper, more violent break than in most similar conquests over the history of that general region of the world.
    Was it long ago when Christians were foreigners in Europe and Roman Empire?

    Was it long ago when Diocles, Trajan, Jovian and others called Christians "apostates", "Jews"

    Was it long ago when Edict of Milan allowed semitic religion Christianity to be practiced in Europe?

    And now you want to present Greek Muslims as Foreigners?

    You want to prosecute Anatolian Greeks?

    Cause they are not Christians?

    WHO ARE YOU?

    WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?

    You exchanged Greeks for Orthodox Arabs?

    You said: Afagan Orthodox is Welcome to Greece?


    Your Patriarchs still mention Diocletians Prosecution of Christians, but what about Christian prosecution of Muslims? That's NOT worth mention?

    Greek should be Greek, no matter what religion he practices.

    You can do whatever you want, but those Anatolian Greeks (who now call themselves Turks) ARE GREEKS!

    And Genetics will reveal that publicly, very soon... and they are more numerous than Orthodox Greeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    Was it long ago when Christians were foreigners in Europe and Roman Empire?

    Was it long ago when Diocles, Trajan, Jovian and others called Christians "apostates", "Jews"

    Was it long ago when Edict of Milan allowed semitic religion Christianity to be practiced in Europe?

    And now you want to present Greek Muslims as Foreigners?

    You want to prosecute Anatolian Greeks?

    Cause they are not Christians?

    WHO ARE YOU?

    WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?

    You exchanged Greeks for Orthodox Arabs?

    You said: Afagan Orthodox is Welcome to Greece?


    Your Patriarchs still mention Diocletians Prosecution of Christians, but what about Christian prosecution of Muslims? That's NOT worth mention?

    Greek should be Greek, no matter what religion he practices.

    You can do whatever you want, but those Anatolian Greeks (who now call themselves Turks) ARE GREEKS!

    And Genetics will reveal that publicly, very soon... and they are more numerous than Orthodox Greeks.
    Even modern Greeks are barely Greeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmara View Post
    Even modern Greeks are barely Greeks.
    You wish.

    Greeks descend from Homer’s heroes
    A genetic discovery links modern Greeks to the Mycenaeans described in the Iliad
    Oliver Moody, Science Correspondent
    August 3 2017, 12:01am, The Times

    If you want to see the face that launched a thousand ships and burnt the topless towers of Ilium, you need only look to the boulevards of 21st-century Athens.

    Modern Greeks are largely the descendants of the Bronze Age Mycenaean civilisation immortalised in Homer’s epic poems about the Trojan war, according to a genetic study that could tear up ancient history textbooks.

    For one of the most storied peoples in antiquity, there are many theories but few certainties about where the Greeks came from and where they went. Some historians have speculated that they arrived from the north in the second millennium BC, or that their early civilisation derived from the Egyptians and Phoenicians.

    Scientific analysis of DNA in the teeth of 19 skeletons from prehistoric Crete, mainland Greece and western Anatolia appears to scotch such ideas. A study published in the journal Nature suggests that the Mycenaean Greeks whose legends feature in the Iliad and the Odyssey overwhelmingly originated from a population of native farmers who lived around the Aegean Sea in the late Stone Age.

    Now, ancient DNA suggests that living Greeks are indeed the descendants of Mycenaeans, with only a small proportion of DNA from later migrations to Greece. And the Mycenaeans themselves were closely related to the earlier Minoans, the study reveals, another great civilization that flourished on the island of Crete from 2600 B.C.E. to 1400 B.C.E. (named for the mythical King Minos).

    Alissa Mittnik, a molecular biologist at the Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History in Jena, Germany, one of the paper’s lead authors, said there was evidence of a strong continuity between both civilisations and today’s Greeks.

    “Modern Greek people are very closely related to the Mycenaeans and Minoans,” she said. “That was one of the very interesting findings.”

    The findings also lend credence to some of the Greek myths. One legend recounts how the exiled descendants of Heracles came back to claim the Peloponnese, in an event known as the Dorian invasion. Although the theory fell out of fashion in the 20th century, the steppe hunter-gatherer DNA discovered in the make-up of the Mycenaeans could go some way to corroborating the tale, according to Dr Mittnik.

    The continuity between the Mycenaeans and living people is “particularly striking given that the Aegean has been a crossroads of civilizations for thousands of years"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danielion View Post
    No hot chick seemingly getting shagged by the woggiest Andalusian imaginable with a funny moustache and upperlip. Disappointing.
    That's because Bosnian women have decency, unlike Erasmus Spanish girls



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    Muslims view Jesus as a Word of God.

    But importance of Jesus himself isn't very important.

    He was a Word of God, he did not die, he was raised to heavens.

    Jesus miracles were preformed by God on a prayer from Jesus, so no Jesus had no power whatsoever.

    We believe in Judgment after Death (by God personally not Jesus),and we do not believe in "Messiah", it's a jewish fairytale.

    Our religion isn't messianic, therefore we don't expect any prophet/messiah to arrive.

    We have been told that Jesus will come back to kill someone who will claim that he is a God, but that's uniportant from religious standpoint cause our Emperors will rule like they always ruled not Jesus.
    People have a difficult time understanding the Holy Trinity.



    I like how you think the Jewish belief of a Messiah is a fairy tale but some guy who walks out of a cave and meshes his misunderstanding of Christian and Jewish beliefs and sprinkles it with local Arab pagan beliefs is supposed to be taken seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gold-Shekel View Post
    That's because Bosnian women have decency, unlike Erasmus Spanish girls
    You call it decency. Everyone else calls it fear. Women have very little value in the Balkans.

    Dat decency...

    Arabs Marry Bosnian Women to Establish Parallel Families

    After an influx of tourists and investors from Gulf countries in recent years, Bosnia faces a new issue - Arab men marrying local women as second or third wives, who remain in the country waiting for their husbands' occasional visits.

    A thirty-six year old woman from Sarajevo, who has two children from her first marriage, told BIRN about how she married an Arab, to become his second wife.

    She says her new husband, who is 51, originally came to Bosnia for business, to open a small company in Sarajevo. They met, the woman recalls, when he came to her place of work. She says they joked and she noticed him looking at her.

    After a while, a mutual friend who is already married to an Arab introduced them. This friend explained that the man was looking for a Bosnian wife, to help her if he could.

    She says it took her about two months to familiarize herself with his way of life and habits over the phone and through video messages. Her father gave his consent to their marriage, so they got married in Sarajevo.

    “I deliberately consented to this kind of marriage, knowing I am not his only wife. Nobody tricked me”, she said.

    The story from the woman from Sarajevo represents a new trend in which Bosnian women, usually with the consent of fathers or brothers, marry businessmen from Arab countries who are increasingly coming to Bosnia, either for business or for holidays which they spend in apartments or houses they rent or buy here.

    Only in the past few years tens of thousands of visitors from Gulf countries came to Bosnia, because of its fair climate, pristine nature, culture, as well as the fact that at least half of the country's population practice Muslim religion and mosques are always close by.

    Most of these men already have one or more wives, which is allowed by the Islamic Sharia law that is respected in these countries.

    The wedding ceremonies which take place in Bosnia and Herzegovina are performed by members of the clergy, but marriage certificates they issue are invalid both according to the rules of the Islamic community in Bosnia, as well as by Bosnia's legislation.

    Bosnian brides usually remain living in the country and are waiting for their husbands to visit them.

    "We are married before Allah…” the woman from Sarajevo says, adding that she is aware of at least twenty other women, who have become the second wives to Arab men and one has even become the third wife.

    She explained that this group of about 20 women, who have Arab husbands, prays together and meets regularly.

    The Islamic Community in Bosnia and Herzegovina says they don’t have any data on this subject. In case an Imam would eventually perform such a ceremony, a disciplinary procedure would be initiated against him, because he would be violating the procedures applied within the Islamic Community.

    Sharia wedding in Bosnia and Herzegovina is allowed but only symbolically and after the couple is married in accordance with the Family Law. According to that law, polygamy is not allowed, i.e. none of the spouses can be married to more than one person. Also, Sharia wedding alone is not legally recognized.

    Protection of women

    Sarajevo Mufti Enes Ljevakovic, says the Islamic Community has no exact data on Arab men marrying Bosnian women as their second or third wives.

    Ljevakovic says that, for this reason they cannot undertake any measures, because the Islamic Community procedures are not being violated since they do not approach “our Imams authorized to perform wedding ceremonies” and they are not “registered in the main register of marriages at the Islamic Community Majlises”.

    “The Islamic Community fully respects the state laws regulating marriage procedures. On the other hand, this also ensures the rights of women and protects them,” Ljevakovic says, pointing out that women are protected only in case the state recognizes a certain union as a marital union, which is achieved by holding “a civil” marriage.

    Yet according to the woman from Sarajevo, this does not prevent women from marrying Arab men. She said that she loves her husband, but admitted that his financial support to her was also a factor in the marriage.

    “I was thinking about changing my job, and it was very hard. When he proposed this I thought maybe it was a chance for a better life”, she explains.

    She claims most of the women in her group which have Arab husbands married for both reasons.

    “This concept of polygamy is not foreign to me. I understand it, in Bosnia it happens more than people think”, she says.

    According to her, the Arabs meet potential wives through friends and others who have already found a match. She added that Arab men most often marry religious women, but stressed that her husband did not request her to wear a Niqab (a part of Hijab that covers face or head) like the one worn by women in Arab countries.

    Attorney Esad Hrvacic explains that nobody has the right to practice polygamy on the territory of Bosnia and Herzegovina.

    “That is the basic postulate of the European law. It is impossible to apply the Shari law according to which a man can marry more than one woman,” Hrvacic said, yet added that Bosnia's law on family does not prescribe fines for polygamy.

    Sharing a husband

    The woman from Sarajevo says that, when she accepted to marry the Arab man, she was aware of the fact that her husband would not be with her every day. She explains he visits Bosnia and Herzegovina almost every month, depending on the amount of work he has to deal with in his own country or in Bosnia and Herzegovina.

    “As far as my husband is concerned, he is a wonderful person. We speak to each other and communicate via video calls every day. I get plenty of nice words and kisses from him,” the woman from Sarajevo says, pointing out she has felt his full respect and love.

    She explains that the age difference between women and their Arab husbands varies from two to 20 years.

    “Considering the fact that they already have wives of their age, they will normally look for younger women. However, in some cases they search for women of their age,” she said, explaining that most of the Arabs who marry Bosnian women come from Saudi Arabia, Emirates, Kuwait, Egypt and Libya.

    A Bosnian woman, who married a man from Kuwait at the age of 23, thus becoming his second wife, has a similar faith. She says it was “a love marriage”.

    The 23-year old woman refused to reveal the name of her hometown because of disapproval of her fellow citizens. As she said, an Imam whose identity she does not want to disclose conducted the wedding ceremony of this woman and her new husband.

    “We met in a mosque where I prayed. We saw each other often and then he asked for my hand. Now, my husband comes monthly… We talk every day. I have a daughter from my first marriage and I knew going in that he had another wife. This is not a problem. We have the same rights, under Sharia law”, the 23-year old explains.

    “One thing I have to highlight – for me, this is a love marriage - love and honour. I have never seen men honouring their wives as much as he honours me”, she adds.

    The woman from Sarajevo stressed that women who want to marry Arab men have to accept the fact that their husbands will not be here all the time, because they are married and have children and jobs in their countries.

    “If a woman agrees to share her husband with another woman, she has to accept the conditions that accompany such marriages,” she says.

    When she got married to an Arab, the woman from Sarajevo got a Mahr (property or certain amount of money given by husband in case of divorce). She says she is not worried that he could one day just stop coming back to her, since he has proved to be an honourable man and she knows him well.

    Besides that, she points out that he gives her a certain amount of money each month to support her family and cover other costs as well.

    “They mostly look for divorced women with children, so they can secure better future for them. They are not interested in having children with those women, although it does happen in some cases,” she said.

    The woman from Sarajevo also says that, while her husband is away from Bosnia and Herzegovina, she spends time with her children or simply uses the time “for herself”.

    “When he is here, I enjoy,” she says.

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