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    Exclamation NOBILITY in your country. Post how much.



    I mean nobility as whole class, regardless rank
    i.e: Aristocracy+Gentry, Grands+Hidalgos and
    similar = ALL possible Nobles.


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    Poland ~10%.
    (According to me ~7%).

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    A lot.

    I personally know about 10 people.
    Maybe 10% or a bit more.

    Names like: Brankovići, Vukovići, Vilići etc.. still exist in Bosnia.

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    What are you on about?

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    in Argentina:

    Just one Queen:


    And one king:

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    If you are talking about modern status- we do not have any legal recognition of nobility. If you are talking about descent from Medieval nobility- probably more than anywhere on this continent.
    It was not nobility that was determined by wealth, by estate, or by fancy gowns, as in the West. It was rather determined by valor and honor, by laws of sword and lance.
    After Ottomans spread, the worst nobility fled to western Europe to live out rest of their miserable lives. The better ones became vassals of Ottomans and retained their holdings, while the most valiant ones fled to the mountains, chiefly to Montenegro, from which they offered fierce resistance for several centuries. They were deprived of all material possesions, but never of dignity and freedom, retaining true nobility of the soul.
    I cannot offer a solid figure, but I will say at least a third of total population is (by direct paternal descent), but probably more.

    The Montenegrin type is mixed, as is that of every Balkan race, but is probably more pure than that of any other. The weaklings have been exterminated by warfare and the rigours of the climate, and the generous blood of the old Serbian nobles is the strongest current in the veins of a Montenegrin.
    (Harold W. V. Temperley, History of Serbia, Bell & Sons, London, 1917, pp. 134-161)
    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    A lot.

    I personally know about 10 people.
    Maybe 10% or a bit more.

    Names like: Brankovići, Vukovići, Vilići etc.. still exist in Bosnia.
    Surnames mean nothing, there are dozens with surname that happens to be same but bearing no common ancestry whatsoever.
    Moreover, the most probable families to be descendants of Brankovići in Herzegovina and Montenegro have long ago stopped using that surname, and "Vuković" in Vlatko's name is patronymic, his family name is Kosača. He also never sired a legitimate male heir, only few bastards if I recall correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    A lot.Maybe 10% or a bit more.
    Some source?

    Quote Originally Posted by spik View Post
    What are you on about?
    I don't get what you are asking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmoo View Post
    If you are talking about modern status
    Status, which was established as such, and those who can prove it.

    by direct paternal descent
    There is no any other possible descent.

    1/3 is highly unprobable figure, taking unto account history of Serbia.
    Not every soldier in medieval times was a noble. Some of course became
    later - but in case of Serbia there was no time for it.

    But, but - there was certainly also some nobility during
    ottoman times, and was maybe after regaining independence?

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    I have read 6% in a monarchist facebook group, not sure how they calculated it.
    For example, there is a noble family Novak, but that doesn’t mean everyone with the 2nd most common surname is a noble, so I’m not sure if they considered that or not.

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    Not a lot, probably a few thousands in France.

    In the strict notion of nobility, only the first male inheritate the noble title. So I let you imagine the number

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