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    Default ext + - Sikhs carrying daggers denied entry to Quebec legislature

    MONTREAL — A group of Sikhs was turned away from the Quebec legislature for carrying ceremonial daggers in an incident Tuesday that served as a flashpoint in the province’s emotional debate about multiculturalism.

    The opposition Parti Quebecois applauded the decision by security guards to refuse entry to the kirpan-carrying Sikhs, with one prominent Pequiste declaring, "Multiculturalism is not a Quebec value."

    Four members of the World Sikh Organization of Canada had intended to make a statement about religious tolerance at legislative hearings inside the national assembly.

    Instead, the four of them walked away and found themselves at the centre of a complex, long-simmering dispute involving the federal Charter of Rights and Freedoms and its impact on Quebec.

    On one side, the province’s Liberal government bit its lip and refused to take a position on what had happened. On the other, the PQ applauded the security guards and blamed the Sikhs.

    It was a single snapshot of Quebec’s ongoing reasonable-accommodations debate, with the government facing a familiar accusation from its more nationalist opponents of weak-kneed buckling to minority pressure.

    The PQ has demanded the government go further with its Bill 94, which would deny government services to Muslim women wearing face-coverings. It used Tuesday’s incident to illustrate its case the bill should be broadened to include kirpans.

    The Pequistes also cited the brouhaha as a reminder that Quebec has never endorsed the 1982 Canadian Constitution, and the charter.

    That charter — specifically designed to protect minorities — has often been used by Quebec Anglos in court cases to overturn the province’s language laws; it was also used in one famous case to defend the rights of kirpan-wearing Sikhs.

    Louise Beaudoin, the PQ’s designated critic for secularism, noted that the province’s politicians have never subscribed to the charter vision — which critics here have often described as a threat to Quebec’s culture. Quebec is the only province that has never supported the Constitution.

    "Multiculturalism is not a Quebec value," Beaudoin told reporters.

    "It may be a Canadian one — but it’s not a Quebec one. Even for the (Quebec) Liberal party, because they’re talking about interculturalism and it’s supposed to not be the same thing.

    "And we haven’t signed the Constitution of Canada — neither the Parti Quebecois, nor the Liberal party.

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    "Multiculturalism is not a Quebec value,"

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    Bloc wants to bring dagger debate to Hill

    MONTREAL — An emotionally charged debate over multiculturalism, which has raged in Quebec in recent years, has finally landed on the national stage and it centres on a ceremonial dagger worn by Sikhs.

    Members of the federal Parliament now face a demand to ban the kirpan — which is worn at all times by at least one Ontario MP.

    The discussion is being spurred by the Bloc Quebecois, which promised Wednesday to take up the issue with the House of Commons’ all-party decision-making body.

    That announcement came one day after a headline-grabbing move by security guards at the Quebec legislature to deny entry to four Sikhs because some were carrying kirpans.

    That incident became a flashpoint in the province’s so-called "reasonable-accommodations" debate — an ongoing discussion about where to draw the line on minority rights.

    That issue has already been the topic, in Quebec, of impassioned public hearings that led to the government tabling legislation.

    The provincial bill would deny government services to Muslim women wearing face-coverings — but the Pequiste opposition wants it to go further and regulate kirpans.

    Some commentators in English Canada expressed bafflement over this week’s incident at the Quebec legislature. But commentary in the province has been almost universally positive — with some flashes of annoyance at the complaints from English Canada.

    The Bloc Quebecois wasted no time taking up the issue. The party released a statement applauding the previous day’s move and announcing it would push the matter in Ottawa.

    "It was a well-founded decision (in Quebec) and it is perhaps time that Parliament adopt similar rules," the Bloc’s whip, Claude DeBellefeuille, said in a statement.

    The issue hits close to home for one Liberal MP who wears the kirpan in the lower chamber. Navdeep Bains accused the Bloc of seeking to make cheap political gains from the controversy.

    "I think it’s fear-mongering at its best," Bains said.

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    Kinda ironic, that the Bloc Quebecois, may end up saving Canada.

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    I don't see what the problem with carrying weapons into parliament is, but they shouldn't allow people of one religion to do it while not allowing people of other/no religion to carry weapons.

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    I believe that that they were rightfully turned down. As it is pretty uncommon to enter a House of Parliament while being armed let alone--- pretty dangerous.

    While I am all for people having weapons (of any sort apart from ABC-weapons) Parliament is not the place for it and neither is a council.



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    Odinists according to the Havamal are advised to carry weapons wherever the go. Is Odinism not an internationally recognized religion? (Honest question). I think it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Civis Batavi View Post
    As it is pretty uncommon to enter a House of Parliament while being armed let alone--- pretty dangerous.
    OK, but say you go ask a parliamentarian what the meaning of government is, when words have no meaning, and you don't get a suitable response?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwordoftheVistula View Post
    OK, but say you go ask a parliamentarian what the meaning of government is, when words have no meaning, and you don't get a suitable response?
    Good point. But then it should only be allowed to let's say Canadians and not too immigrants because of their usually somewhat more violent temper.
    Discriminatory or not.



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    There has to be a limit on this kind of shit. People can't just use religion as an excuse to bring in potentially dangerous weapons.


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    I saw a kirpan necklace once. They should wear those instead.


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