Are South Slavs closer to Greeks or Northern Slavs genetically

[Слога]

Montenegrins are definetly closer to Albanians, Greeks and Vlachs than to the wide slavic family.

[Jana]

Montenegrins are definetly closer to Albanians, Greeks and Vlachs than to the wide slavic family.

Not really, it's Macedonians who are Slavs closest to southern Balkanites.

Distance to: Montenegrin

1.28089812 Serb_Southern_Montenegro
1.33633828 Romania_Transylvania
1.50648598 Romania_Moldavia_South
1.73447398 Romania_average
2.12746328 Romania_Crisana
2.17529308 Romania_Oltenia
2.17986238 Serb_Herzegovina
2.23004484 Romania_Banat
2.43135765 Bosniak_Sandzak
2.51199124 Serb_Serbia_South
2.58129812 Moldova_South
2.93812866 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
2.99076913 Bulgaria_Northwestern
3.01801259 Romania_Maramures
3.31362339 Romania_Wallachia
3.38202602 Romania_Dobruja
3.69906745 Bulgaria_Southwestern
3.74306025 Serb
3.76608550 Serb_Serbia_Central
3.88431461 Romania_Muntenia
4.17596695 Serb_Serbia_West
4.56128271 Bulgaria_average
4.61624306 Serb_Croatia
5.04256879 Bulgaria_Northcentral
5.34231223 Romania_Moldavia_North

Distance to: Macedonian

0.46216880 Macedonian_South
1.23515181 Macedonian_North
2.22326337 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
3.67710484 Bulgaria_Southcentral
3.85302479 Albanian_Gheg
4.09304288 Bulgaria_Southeastern
4.28510210 Bulgaria_Northeastern
4.30745865 Bulgaria_average
4.39580482 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
4.67836510 Albanian
4.69729710 Bulgaria_Southwestern
4.72088975 Bulgaria_Northcentral
4.81767579 Torbesh_average
5.12638274 Romania_Muntenia
5.16533639 Greek_Northern-Thrace
5.35656606 Romania_Wallachia
5.36654451 Bosniak_Sandzak
5.50119987 Romania_Dobruja
5.55869814 Greek_Thessaly
5.81461951 Pomak_Bulgaria
5.98050165 Romania_Oltenia
5.99939997 Greek_Central_Macedonia
6.18388228 Bulgaria_Northwestern
6.26111013 Turk_Makedonya
6.36926997 Greek_Northeast

[Jana]

Similarities of Montenegrins and Albanians is def. overrated at least from genetic pov, because both Macedonians and Bulgarians (excluding NW Bulgarians) are genetically more southern/PaleoBalkan.

It's just that culturally MNE shares lot with Albos (tribes for example), but genetically they aren't that close. There is intermix of the two though.
So let's say Montenegrins share more genuine ancestry with Albos, but still plot further from them than SE Slavs do because SE Slavs pre-Slavic part is more southern.

[Jana]

Laughable nonsense. There was Caucasian Iberia too, doesn't mean Spaniards and Portuguese are from Kavkaz. I tought such retarded theories will die out in era of population genetics, well seems some still live in stone age.

[Varda]

Similarities of Montenegrins and Albanians is def. overrated at least from genetic pov, because both Macedonians and Bulgarians (excluding NW Bulgarians) are genetically more southern/PaleoBalkan.

It's just that culturally MNE shares lot with Albos (tribes for example), but genetically they aren't that close. There is intermix of the two though.
So let's say Montenegrins share more genuine ancestry with Albos, but still plot further from them than SE Slavs do because SE Slavs pre-Slavic part is more southern.

Montenegrins are more Slavic and less paleo-Balkanic than Bulgarians and Macedonians. Nobody claim Macedonians and Bulgarians are genetic brothers of Albanians, and for Montenegrins many (especially Albanians) claim they are cousins of Albanians.
Very few Montenegrins have Albanian origin by paternal lines. Most of Montenegrins with paleo-Balkanic haplogroups are of Vlach paternal origin, and their far ancestors are slavized/serbified in the middle age.

[Jana]

Montenegrins are more Slavic and less paleo-Balkanic than Bulgarians and Macedonians. Nobody claim Macedonians and Bulgarians are genetic brothers of Albanians, and for Montenegrins many (especially Albanians) claim they are cousins of Albanians.
Very few Montenegrins have Albanian origin by paternal lines. Most of Montenegrins with paleo-Balkanic haplogroups are of Vlach paternal origin, and their far ancestors are slavized/serbified in the middle age.

Well, these Vlachs are probably Latinized Illyrians and have similar origins as Albanians do, but with more external influences such as Roman.
I mean that for sure Montenegrins have more admix from Albanians than Bulgarians do, because Bulgarians live further away, their pre-Slavic should be primarly Thracian and Greek (even minor Anatolian Greek)

What I think it that Montenegrins have bit more Slavic than SE Slavs (except already mentioned NW Bulgarians are pretty northern), and their pre-Slavic part is more northern than that of ancient Macedonia and Thrace.

[Varda]

Well, these Vlachs are probably Latinized Illyrians and have similar origins as Albanians do, but with more external influences such as Roman.
I mean that for sure Montenegrins have more admix from Albanians than Bulgarians do, because Bulgarians live further away, their pre-Slavic should be primarly Thracian and Greek (even minor Anatolian Greek)

What I think it that Montenegrins have bit more Slavic than SE Slavs (except already mentioned NW Bulgarians are pretty northern), and their pre-Slavic part is more northern than that of ancient Macedonia and Thrace.

Montenegrin clans with paleo-Balkanic y dna originated from native Vlachs of Montenegro and Herzegovina who lived there during the middle age (Mataruge, Kriči, Bukumiri, Španji, Moračani Bogićevci, Vasojevići etc), and from Vlach migrants from central and eastern Balkan in late middle age (Bjelopavlići, Kuči, Piperi etc). Native Vlachs were probably speakers of Dalmatian language, and Vlach migrants from east for sure were East Romance speakers.
Piperi R1b-BY611 and Kuči E-V13 have closer matches in y dna in eastern/southern Serbia, Bulgaria and Romania than among Albanians.

[Varda]

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Look this.

[Varda]

Montenegrin brotherhood which for sure has Albanian paternal origin is Maraš from one village near Podgorica.
They are R1b-Z2705 and they have matches among Albanians. They are recorded as Albanian Catholic settlers from Albanian tribe Hoti in Ottoman time who converted in Orthodoxy. Branches of Maraš brotherhood are surnames: Marović, Andrović, Blagović, Čobović, Iljović, Nešović, Ninković and Babić.

[Mortimer]

Is my european influence more paleo-balkan or more slavic?