Are South Slavs closer to Greeks or Northern Slavs genetically

[Jana]

Green area on map is area were most of Bosniaks live, and it is sort of ijekavian, not ikavian.

It's most connected to old Slavonian dialects

You can keep all of them if you like them so much.

No thanks. Bosniaks are Bosniaks, Serbs are Serbs, and Croats are Croats. Best for each to have their own house

[Jana]

Yes I agree they had their own "thing" even before Bosnia fell under Ottomans, but real question is this: would Bosnia today have any state-sense of existence (along with Bosniaks as nation today) if Ottomans never came there and never Islamized them? What do you think?

Perhaps. Bosnia was a medieval state, so I don't see why wouldn't it exist even without Islam. Just it's borders would have been different. Not sure would it have included Herzegovina, probably not.
What do you think?

[Dušan]

Medieval Bosnia used Cyrillic script and was oriented toward Serbia.

Herzegovina itself was part of Serbia proper of Nemanjić dinasty.

Herzegovina is established as Voivodship of saint Sava, who was first archbishop of Serbian Orthodox Church.

I find it ironic how some Croats in Herzegovina are so proud on name Herzegovina LOL.

[Robocop]

Perhaps. Bosnia was a medieval state, so I don't see why wouldn't it exist even without Islam. Just it's borders would have been different. Not sure would it have included Herzegovina, probably not.
What do you think?

I honestly do not know, I would say this would happen most likely:

Their Bosnian identity (their "own thing") would die out in say... 19th century, ...or turn of 19th to 20th century when nations risen...they would totally fell into Croatian or Serbian sense of identity by that time.

Catholics would choose Croatian nation and Orthodox would choose Serbian nation and sense of identity, I think Bosnia as Bosnia would fell apart as state, it would only (MAYBE) remain somethin as; region name inside of Croatia or Serbia, that would be all.

And about their so called "Bosnian Church", I think it wouldn't survive (all this is imagined now if Ottomans never came in Bosnia) Catholic and Orthodox pressure on that church, it would be destroyed by 19th century.

So I honestly dont know to what they would "hold" on to their identity "as nation" in say late 19th century, surely they wouldn't develop some sense of Bosnian NATION per se.

This way as it happened, Islam brought them BOOST in their sense of nationality trough Islam, which in my opinion emerged that Bosnian sense of state as we know it today.

[Varda]

Serbs of western Bosnia and Croatia in strong majority are speakers of Neretva-Krajina neoshtokavian yekavian which is sub-dialect of East Herzegovinian.

Serbs from western Bosnia and Croatia who are not speakers of this dialect are speakers of younger ikavian (Kupres, Duvno, Livno, and some areas of Dalmatia), and new shtokavian ekavian (2-3 villages around Vukovar).

About ikavian speech of Serbs in SW Bosnia https://hrcak.srce.hr/202487

This map show that most common speech of Serbs from western Bosnia and Croatia (new shtokavian yekavian) exist in western part of East Herzegovina (triangle Neretva-Nevesinje-Ljubinje).

[Altaylı]

I am not sure but probably they are closer to northern slavic people

Target: Croat
Distance: 0.8653% / 0.86533606 | ADC: 0.25x RC
78.3 Northernslavic
21.7 Greek


Target: Bosniak
Distance: 0.6720% / 0.67196521 | ADC: 0.25x RC
62.1 Northernslavic
37.9 Greek

Target: Serb
Distance: 1.3593% / 1.35927637 | ADC: 0.25x RC
54.7 Northernslavic
45.3 Greek

[Varda]

Medieval Bosnia used Cyrillic script and was oriented toward Serbia.

Herzegovina itself was part of Serbia proper of Nemanjić dinasty.

Herzegovina is established as Voivodship of saint Sava, who was first archbishop of Serbian Orthodox Church.

I find it ironic how some Croats in Herzegovina are so proud on name Herzegovina LOL.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_St_Sava

[RogueState]

Even before Yugoslavia and anti-Serbian propaganda against Cyrillic, you would see in the Bascarsija (center of Sarajevo), in the Muslim shops, signs written with Cyrillic alphabet

https://youtu.be/88Bosi4vKEw?t=16

They didn't make a fuss at that time, now they become hysterically anti-Cyrillic, as if writting with Latin alphabets was somehow more for Muslims and Cyrillic for Orthodox... it's beyond stupitidy

[Robocop]

I am not sure but probably they are closer to northern slavic people

Target: Croat
Distance: 0.8653% / 0.86533606 | ADC: 0.25x RC
78.3 Northernslavic
21.7 Greek


Target: Bosniak
Distance: 0.6720% / 0.67196521 | ADC: 0.25x RC
62.1 Northernslavic
37.9 Greek

Target: Serb
Distance: 1.3593% / 1.35927637 | ADC: 0.25x RC
54.7 Northernslavic
45.3 Greek

And this is practically everything one needs to know.

[Dušan]

Even before Yugoslavia and anti-Serbian propaganda against Cyrillic, you would see in the Bascarsija (center of Sarajevo), in the Muslim shops, signs written with Cyrillic alphabet

https://youtu.be/88Bosi4vKEw?t=16

They didn't make a fuss at that time, now they become hysterically anti-Cyrillic, as if writting with Latin alphabets was somehow more for Muslims and Cyrillic for Orthodox... it's beyond stupitidy

Bosnia was land of Cyrillic script since medieval time.
And Cyrillic connects Bosnia to east toward Serbia, not to west toward Croatia.