Are South Slavs closer to Greeks or Northern Slavs genetically

[Vrazijadivizija]

Idiot, large part part Herzegovinian Serbs are in Herzegovina since middle age. Those who arrived in Ottoman time mostly came from Old Herzegovina (present day western Montenegro).

In 1879 Serbs were more numerous in Herzegovina (including city of Mostar) than Croatians. There was 64 373 Serbs, and 59 858 Croatians, page 105 http://www.cidom.org/wp-content/uplo...garska_opt.pdf

Herzegovinian Serbs or Dalmatian Serbs idk whats more funny to laugh about,or maybe its Srpsko Junaštvo thats more funnier?
Even part of Montenegros doesent like you and makes fun of you.Vratite se korinu Susjedskom,možda tada budete imali išta od Junaštva naspram Bošnjaka.

[Varda]

Mostar have large Orthodox church that dominate old city. When it was bulit, it was one of the largest Orthodox churches in Balkans.




Church was destroyed by Croat and Muslim extremists in 1992.

Nowadays it is rebuild.

Yea, even until 1992 Mostar had about 20% Serbs.

Before AH occupation of BiH Muslims and Serbs were more numerous in Mostar than Croatians. During the AH occupation a lot of Croatians from western Herzegovina, Dalmatia etc. settled in Mostar.

[Jana]

Yea, even until 1992 Mostar had about 20% Serbs.

Before AH occupation of BiH Muslims and Serbs were more numerous in Mostar than Croatians. During the AH occupation a lot of Croatians from western Herzegovina, Dalmatia etc. settled in Mostar.

Doubt. Mostar was a muslim city, Serbs (and Croats) were rural population everywhere.

[Varda]

Doubt. Mostar was a muslim city, Serbs (and Croats) were rural population everywhere.

Page 105 http://www.cidom.org/wp-content/uplo...garska_opt.pdf

In Ottoman time Muslims were most numerous in Mostar, after them Serbs, and Croatians were least numerous.

Serbian Orthodox church of Holy Trinity in Mostar was built in late period of Ottoman rule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathed...rinity,_Mostar

[Robocop]

Na forum.hr hrvatski branitelji su pisali kako su svjedoci toga da su se Srbi radije predavali hrvatskoj vojsci nego bošnjačkoj.

Pa ko bi se preda onim fanaticima sa videa AKO moš birat. Samo luđak.

[Varda]

Wrong.
One part of Bosnian Muslims were ikavian, but majority were ijekavian speakers.

Only this purple areas are/were ikavian.

Green area on the map is East Bosnian dialect, that dialect is yekavian. Most of speakers are Muslims/Bosniaks.
Bosniak standard speech is East Herzegovinian with East Bosnian elements.

[CommonSense]

And why wouldn't they be, knowing that name Herzegovina comes from HERCEG (which was like DUKE), knowing that term Herceg comes from german Herzog (means; duke), and the first Herceg (duke) was Stjepan Vukčić 1448.

I find it extremely weird (to say at least) that some Serbian would hava name; STJEPAN.

His full title was 'herceg of Saint Sava'. Pretty sure that's what Dušan meant.

[Varda]

And why wouldn't they be, knowing that name Herzegovina comes from HERCEG (which was like DUKE), knowing that term Herceg comes from german Herzog (means; duke), and the first Herceg (duke) was Stjepan Vukčić 1448.

I find it extremely weird (to say at least) that some Serbian would hava name; STJEPAN.

In modern time yes. In the past it was regular name among Serbs.

Surname Stjepanović exist among Serbs, root of this surname is name Stjepan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velimir_Stjepanović

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boro_Stjepanović

https://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ljiljana_Stjepanović

[Robocop]

In modern time yes. In the past it was regular name among Serbs.

Surname Stjepanović exist among Serbs, root of this surname is name Stjepan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velimir_Stjepanović

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boro_Stjepanović

https://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ljiljana_Stjepanović

His full title was 'herceg of Saint Sava'. Pretty sure that's what Dušan meant.

Moja je pretpostavka da je naivno pretpostavljati kako su obični ljudi na prostorima BIH, Hrvatske i Srbije prije 600 godina, u ovolikoj većini kao danas, imala jednu od tri nacionalne svijesti (Hrvati, Srbi, Bošnjaci).

Mene više zanima odnos velikaških obitelji prema religiji.

A i odnos pojedinih konfesija prema obiteljima u kojima otac osniva pravoslavni manastir, a kćer biva beatificirana u Rimu.

Ako je Stefan (Stjepan, Stipan, kako li...), dao lovu za pravoslavni manastir, je li bilo nezamislivo da daje i za katoličku crkvu?

Znači li to da je prakticirao (samo) pravoslavlje?

Je li to bilo stvar iskrenog vjerskog uvjerenja?

U tom je kontekstu zanimljivo i da je prvi raški kralj, Stefan Prvovjenčani, tražio krunu od pape Honorija III, da ju je dobio i da ga je okrunio njegov brat, budući sveti Sava.

Kako to? Zar nije na snazi bila međusobna anatema koju su istočna i zapadna Crkva bacile jedna na drugu?

Moja poanta je da u ta vremena se rijetko može gledati na stvari "crno bijelo" kao od 1941/1991 do danas, što je običaj kod Srba i Hrvata, teško da se ova dva naroda što se tiče većine povijesničara ikako mogu poistovjetiti sa kontekstom ondašnjeg vremena jer su uvelike pod utjecajem POLITIKE.

[Dušan]

Moja je pretpostavka da je naivno pretpostavljati kako su obični ljudi na prostorima BIH, Hrvatske i Srbije prije 600 godina, u ovolikoj većini kao danas, imala jednu od tri nacionalne svijesti (Hrvati, Srbi, Bošnjaci).

Mene više zanima odnos velikaških obitelji prema religiji.

A i odnos pojedinih konfesija prema obiteljima u kojima otac osniva pravoslavni manastir, a kćer biva beatificirana u Rimu.

Ako je Stefan (Stjepan, Stipan, kako li...), dao lovu za pravoslavni manastir, je li bilo nezamislivo da daje i za katoličku crkvu?

Znači li to da je prakticirao (samo) pravoslavlje?

Je li to bilo stvar iskrenog vjerskog uvjerenja?

U tom je kontekstu zanimljivo i da je prvi raški kralj, Stefan Prvovjenčani, tražio krunu od pape Honorija III, da ju je dobio i da ga je okrunio njegov brat, budući sveti Sava.

Kako to? Zar nije na snazi bila međusobna anatema koju su istočna i zapadna Crkva bacile jedna na drugu?

Moja poanta je da u ta vremena se rijetko može gledati na stvari "crno bijelo" kao od 1941/1991 do danas, što je običaj kod Srba i Hrvata, teško da se ova dva naroda što se tiče većine povijesničara ikako mogu poistovjetiti sa kontekstom ondašnjeg vremena jer su uvelike pod utjecajem POLITIKE.

Za tvoju informaciju, Herceg od svetog Save Stefan Vukčić Kosača, bio je ktitor sledećih pravoslavnih hramova:

- Manastir Zagrađe sa crkvom svetog Jovana Krstitelja na Šćepan Polju,
- Crkva svetog Đorđa Sopotnica u Kopačima,
- Manastir uspenja presveta Bogorodice u Dobrunu,
- Manastir Savina u Herceg Novom,
- Crkva svetog Save u Herceg Novom,
- Crkva na Podima iznad Herceg Novog,
- Crkva svete Trojice u Kutima iznad Zelenike,
- Crkva svetog Luke u Smokovcu iznad Risna.

https://www.knezevina-hercegovina.co...vukcic-kosaca/

Dakle, 8 pravoslavnih hramova i nijedan katolički.
Sasvim dovoljno da "Hrvatski dom" u Mostaru nosi njegovo ime.