Is the "white race" a biologically coherent concept?

[Ewigkeit]

I believe in HBD, obviously, but I say the white race is a social construct.

Why should all European populations be labeled as one race, when they are biologically distinct, and differ significantly in skin color, temperament, and average IQ (Sicilians and Southern Italians have an average IQ of about 90, according to race-realist Richard Lynn, http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc...=rep1&type=pdf while Scandinavians are well over 100: the gap is almost as big as the black-white gap in the US.)

It's also noteworthy that the concept of a pan-European white race is relatively new. In antiquity, no Greek or Roman considered, for example, the Celts to be his racial kin. Even in first half the 20th century it was far from universally accepted. The Nazis and the Italians were profoundly racist against Slavic "Untermensch"--see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger_Plan--many racial theorists across Western Europe attributed the poverty and illiteracy of Russia to biological inferiority.

Finally, even now no one can agree who is and is not white. Are Turks white? Are Syrians? Are Jews? Are North Africans? There is no settled answer to these questions among race realists, and cannot be because the white race is a social construct.

[Cristiano viejo]

Dont search three legs to the cat, white race = Europeans and people of full European ancestry, period.

[Bornoz]

Whites= Totally Caucasoid Christians
That's why most Scandinavians are not whites accprding to my perception. But Scandos who think that being white is something good can call themselves white.
Most probably they are Christians already

[Bornoz]

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[Smeagol]

Yes. White=Caucasoid.

[TEUTORIGOS]

I believe in HBD, obviously, but I say the white race is a social construct.

Why should all European populations be labeled as one race, when they are biologically distinct, and differ significantly in skin color, temperament, and average IQ (Sicilians and Southern Italians have an average IQ of about 90, according to race-realist Richard Lynn, http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc...=rep1&type=pdf while Scandinavians are well over 100: the gap is almost as big as the black-white gap in the US.)

It's also noteworthy that the concept of a pan-European white race is relatively new. In antiquity, no Greek or Roman considered, for example, the Celts to be his racial kin. Even in first half the 20th century it was far from universally accepted. The Nazis and the Italians were profoundly racist against Slavic "Untermensch"--see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger_Plan--many racial theorists across Western Europe attributed the poverty and illiteracy of Russia to biological inferiority.

Finally, even now no one can agree who is and is not white. Are Turks white? Are Syrians? Are Jews? Are North Africans? There is no settled answer to these questions among race realists, and cannot be because the white race is a social construct.

The white race does not objectively exist in the scientific sense but the caucasoid race does. The white race is a socio-political concept. The thing is that science never made it socially hence the nerd stereotype so your attempts will ultimately be futile.

Personally, I know my tribe it is West Scottish / Ulster Irish .

[ApollonianGerm]

I think that "white race" is an almost meaningless abstraction. It is meaningful in the sense of picking out people with entirely Caucasoid ancestry, but it does not signify much more than that... especially in terms of cultural characteristics.

[Mingle]

Yes. White=Caucasoid.

Not really. That's like saying Brown = Caucasoid because there are more "Brown" (South Asian, MENA) Caucasoids than there are European Caucasoids.

The general definition of White is either 'European' or in some cases 'someone who passes as typical European'. That doesn't exist as a coherent biological concept. But yes, Caucasoids are a thing.

[Hadouken]

Not really. That's like saying Brown = Caucasoid because there are more "Brown" (South Asian, MENA) Caucasoids than there are European Caucasoids.

The general definition of White is either 'European' or in some cases 'someone who passes as typical European'. That doesn't exist as a coherent biological concept. But yes, Caucasoids are a thing.

not saying that I necessarily disagree with you but a lot of those people you talk about have a big non caucasoid component/ancestry and are often below 90% caucasoid genetically

MENA is a big territory and in if you take all countries of it you will have countries that border ssa and also almost border europe etc.

just compare gedmatch results alone of several mena peoples . there is a memeber he is yemenese I think ( salem) . look at his results he opened a thread . you will see there are big differences

regarding the topic : I find it silly that this is discussed again and again . I think the term white is too vague . but I have my own definition of how it would make the most sense

[spik]

As you can clearly see - most people on this forum are not Pan-European.