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    Maybe "white" is not the right term, but West Eurasians would be a more appropriate term.
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    Stupid term. Color =/= Race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ewigkeit View Post
    I believe in HBD, obviously, but I say the white race is a social construct.

    Why should all European populations be labeled as one race, when they are biologically distinct, and differ significantly in skin color, temperament, and average IQ (Sicilians and Southern Italians have an average IQ of about 90, according to race-realist Richard Lynn, http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc...=rep1&type=pdf while Scandinavians are well over 100: the gap is almost as big as the black-white gap in the US.)

    It's also noteworthy that the concept of a pan-European white race is relatively new. In antiquity, no Greek or Roman considered, for example, the Celts to be his racial kin. Even in first half the 20th century it was far from universally accepted. The Nazis and the Italians were profoundly racist against Slavic "Untermensch"--see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger_Plan--many racial theorists across Western Europe attributed the poverty and illiteracy of Russia to biological inferiority.

    Finally, even now no one can agree who is and is not white. Are Turks white? Are Syrians? Are Jews? Are North Africans? There is no settled answer to these questions among race realists, and cannot be because the white race is a social construct.
    It is coherent if by white you mean the strict sense of the word i.e. NorthWest Europeans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alnortedelsur View Post
    Maybe "white" is not the right term, but West Eurasians would be a more appropriate term.
    If one wants to refer to all European derived peoples than West Eurasian is the correct term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alnortedelsur View Post
    Maybe "white" is not the right term, but West Eurasians would be a more appropriate term.
    This could also replace lots of phenotypes.

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    There is a genetical core with a really big affinity between europeans (there are obvious, but small in number, borderline cases: canarians, sicilian, island greek, cypriots; caucasus people if you want to include them)

    The genetical differences between european peoples are the smallest inside a continent/big geographical region in the world. There is a genetical base.

    Anyways the «White Race» is also a socio-political construct.

    The human races coincide perfectly with the biggest geographical barriers in the world: seas-oceans, huge forests-jungles, big mountain ranges, big deserts.

    Inside the geographical limits of these divisions the genetic and phenotypical differences are smaller, and we can speak about races (with internal variations).

    The Mediterranean Sea, Caucasus mountains, the euroasian steppe, the siberian forests, Himalaya Mountains, Gobi desert, Sahara desert, Kalahari desert, Congo jungle, jungles and seas of Souheast Asia and the complete isolation of Australia, the Americas, Papuan Nueva Guinea and Oceania islands were geographical and climatical (most europeands died in tropical wet cimates unti very recent times, for example) barriers and impediments for the world genetic flow, that could't be completely solved until the XIX century.

    This isolation produced different enviromental adaptations to the physical environment, becoming into new races. Also the historical migrations produced new races by the mixing of other races, like the indostanic race is the mix of drsvids and white indoarians (eventually both extincted into the blrnd of the new race), or the still in progress race mixing process in the Americas. But when the gene flow stops and the issolation comes back, the process of adaptative race formation continues.

    This happens and has happened with all the animal species. If we doubt the existence of human races, why don't we doubt the existence od different races of elephants, tigers, dogs or sharks?

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    yes it is

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    White means of European descent, and Europe being the traditionally defined area that is separated by the Mediterranean, Bosporus, the Black Sea, the Caucasus, and the Ural mountains. It doesn't matter whether or not you can find exceptions on the borders and argue over whether Europe is a social construct, because that is the definition. It's like asking if Pizza isn't real because some people call things that are less pizza-like pizza, or saying that all pizzas are really pretty different when you get down to it.

    Everyone knows what it means (European) and everyone knows what European means, even if they don't like it. Until we come up with another ancestrally-minded ethnic term for the different European-Americans and other European diaspora new-worlders, "White" will have to do. Arguing semantics over definitions is just about the dumbest thing you can do, no definition is watertight. You will never find a border or limit to any species, concept, place, thing, or idea that is perfectly watertight. That doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

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    White = Europeans and their pure descendants worlwide, nobody else sorry.

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