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    What is the difference between Albanians and Greeks?

    Genetically speaking (ONLY)

    I've seen a lot of EV13 results and compared them with Greek ones... they look the same to me?

    Is there any difference?

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    Albanians are more northern shifted and sometimes western shifted than Greeks. Albanians do have different subclades of E-V13 than Greeks, the J2 dominant in Albanians is J2b2 whilst in Greeks it’s J2a also from what I have seen Albanians have more R1b-BY611
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    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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    Albanians are much less Levantine and African than Greeks on autosomal and more north Euro shifted, while on y-dna Albanians are more E1b v13 whereas Greeks cover the gap with more J2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    Albanians are more northern shifted and sometimes western shifted than Greeks. Albanians do have different subclades of E-V13 than Greeks, the J2 dominant in Albanians is J2b2 whilst in Greeks it’s J2a also from what I have seen Albanians have more R1b-BY611
    Well, even Northern Greeks are Northern Shifted... that's natural...

    Are you sure that Greeks are exclusively J2a while Albanians are J2b2?

    Turks have a lot of J2? do you know is it J2a or J2b2?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    Well, even Northern Greeks are Northern Shifted... that's natural...

    Are you sure that Greeks are exclusively J2a while Albanians are J2b2?

    Turks have a lot of J2? do you know is it J2a or J2b2?
    Yes but Albanians still plot north of them. Greek J2b2 fits in with Arvanites in most cases, Albanians are almost exclusively J2b2 when it comes to J2. Turkish J2 is J2a but it’s from the Anatolian branches
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    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    Yes but Albanians still plot north of them. Greek J2b2 fits in with Arvanites in most cases, Albanians are almost exclusively J2b2 when it comes to J2. Turkish J2 is J2a but it’s from the Anatolian branches
    Oh, I understand now.

    So there is practically a significant difference between southern and northern Albanians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    Oh, I understand now.

    So there is practically a significant difference between southern and northern Albanians.
    Nah, Albanians are one of if not the most homogeneous ethnic group in Europe according to genetic studies, so Tosks cluster closesly with Ghegs. What I was saying that Albanians plot slightly north of Greeks
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    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

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    Boris is full of shit. Mainland Greeks have no Levantine and northern Greeks plot north of many Albanians. Peloponnesians are also more western than Albanians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    Boris is full of shit. Mainland Greeks have no Levantine and northern Greeks plot north of many Albanians. Peloponnesians are also more western than Albanians.
    Northern Greeks don’t plot north of most Albanians and on average Albanians are more western shifted
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    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    Northern Greeks don’t plot north of most Albanians and on average Albanians are more western shifted
    Northern Greeks have more Slavic though and are very different from say Crete or Sicily.

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