Difference between Albanians and Greeks?

[Dibran]

Yes it's young but it split from older I2, that older one also split from even older etc... you can go like that up to I M170

Haplogroup I m170 is my distant ancestor... and it's from Balkan... you can say it was many thousand years ago.. but who cares.

Well no. Because if he was your ancestor you wouldn’t be L621. Get it? If you go far enough all haplogroups are related. So I guess we’re all natives. See how retarded that sounds?

Context is everything. You descend from L621. Not I-m170. L621 was in North and northwest Europe. It formed there. And never knew the balkans until it arrived from Poland.

I2a2a is The I that stayed and evolved in the Balkans. Unless your I2a2a your claims are baseless.

[Bosniensis]

Well no. Because if he was your ancestor you wouldn’t be L621. Get it? If you go far enough all haplogroups are related. So I guess we’re all natives. See how retarded that sounds?

Context is everything. You descend from L621. Not I-m170. L621 was in North and northwest Europe. It formed there. And never knew the balkans until it arrived from Poland.

I2a2a is The I that stayed and evolved in the Balkans. Unless your I2a2a your claims are baseless.

What is the distance (in years) between I2a1a (Sardinian) and I2a1b (South Slavic)... 7000 years right? I am not sure....

[The Illyrian Warrior]

That's only one sample tested in the Greek and Gheg Albanian samples.

I score higher Northwest Euro than them.

That graph needs to be deleted and remade with 50+ samples of every ethnicity.

Similar, I have much higher Northwest Euro & same Northeast amount like Ghegs but I do not come into final conclusion just by looking on one chart made by Bosnies like some do, I like to see and compare on all calculators and see the difference from all calculators. And on all calculators I seen high Atlantic or West Med in Albanians, I for instance have high Atlantic.

[Laberia]

Some people believe cause they ask for evidence of your presence before 11th century.

For example: Višeslav was a ruler in Roman Empire 780 A.D while there are no written evidences of any Albanian rulers in 8th century.

Albanians need to find more evidences of their presence not just DNA or Greeks, Serbs will continue to dispute your presence before 10th century.

And how many times you want to repeat here "Ducagini d'Arbania"?
BTW, servs? When we will have in this forum an serious thread about this people? At least recently two threads started one by me and an other by Vlatko failed. Enigma continue.

[Laberia]

Evidence of our presence is our language for example analysis of loan words and other things in our language show that it was present in the Balkans before Slavic migrations, I already explained to catgeorge how the date that a group was recorded isn’t the same as the date that they originated.

No, you have to understand that they want an Illyrian inscription engraved in stone where they can read the following words: "You fucking retards of the XXI century, stop trolling Albanians in the forums. Albanians are our descendants".

[Laberia]

So in search for evidence since you can't find any you decide to construct an elaborate lie of an origin story that is literally not backed by any serious science? Making up your own deluded stories is not called evidence. Even genetics still proves Albanians are more native than your people. So a record doesnt need to be drawn up to prove Albanian nativity.

The absence of evidences does not mean the evidence of absence. Illyrians and later Albanians were called Romans in those few documents that we have from that period of history called exactly Dark Age. As a separate ethnic group Albanians started to be mentioned when they revolted against the Byzantines and part of them switched from Orthodox in Catholics and thanks to conflict between East and West, the first Albanian principalities emerged as political factor.

[Dimos]

I don't know why people are trying so hard to separate Albanians from Greeks when Greeks are CLOSER TO ALBANIANS than to anyone else. It makes no sense.

Because of the different culture/language/history/religion?
Because of the different political choices and alliances throughout the years?
Because they chose to be are Albanians and we chose to be Greeks.
Genes have little to do with ethnogenesis and national consciousness.

[Vyacheslav]

Balanovsky says that the modern Greeks are descendants of the Minoans and Mycenaeans, just as the Minoans had a genetic component originating from the Caucasus and Iran, while the Mycenaeans had a small trace from Eastern Europe and Siberia.
http://генофонд.рф/?page_id=27987

[Jack_vorobey]

Balanovsky says that the modern Greeks are descendants of the Minoans and Mycenaeans, just as the Minoans had a genetic component originating from the Caucasus and Iran, while the Mycenaeans had a small trace from Eastern Europe and Siberia.
http://генофонд.рф/?page_id=27987

I'm not sure barbarians on this forum can speak Russian.

[Root]

I'm not sure barbarians on this forum can speak Russian.

said an ugly barbarian prick