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    can't wait to get my results from FTDNA

    I am on Y37 but I will probably go to Y111 then Big Y

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    A TMRCA of 2,000 puts it around the year 18AD which is during the Roman era. The TMRCA probably lived around NE Europe or Central Europe so the populations which could be candidates are the Balts, Slavs, Sarmatians, Macromanni etc as they lived there during this time. Thing is that I’m not sure if there were any migrations from those regions into the Balkans at that time
    Goths already occupied regions with plentiful L1029(today) prior to the great migration. Some of it could have easily been absorbed. The TMRCA does line up with some early AD incursions of Goths into the Balkans.

    257-263 A.D.
    The Goths raid Greece and Asia Minor. In 267 A.D., they sack Athens, Corinth, Sparta, and Argos.

    280 A.D.
    In response to raids by the Goths, Athens constructs a major fortification wall, the first since the time of Perikles.

    378 A.D.
    The Visigoths defeat the Eastern Roman emperor Valens near Adrianople. The battle is seen as a watershed in the decline of the Roman army and its ability to stem the barbarian invasions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    I know L1029 is considered typically Slavic. But the Slavic samples seem to belong more downstream under L1029. If the TMRCA is 2000ypb. How could it have arrived in Albania?
    In is impossible to say for sure, as there is none ancient samples.
    Only assumption is that it came with Slavs, as it is mainly northslavic marker.

    But who knows for sure, especially about incidental wanderings.

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    All of L1029 is descended from CTS11962:

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-CTS11962/

    Here is how it goes (from older to younger mutations): M458>PF7521>CTS11962>L1029

    And then of course SNPs downstream of L1029.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    A TMRCA of 2,000 puts it around the year 18AD which is during the Roman era. The TMRCA probably lived around NE Europe or Central Europe so the populations which could be candidates are the Balts, Slavs, Sarmatians, Macromanni etc as they lived there during this time. Thing is that I’m not sure if there were any migrations from those regions into the Balkans at that time

    Heres some timeline bits around the breakoff.


    6 CE
    Publius Quinctilius Varus is made governor of Germania.

    9 CE
    The Rhine River is established as the boundary between the Latin and German speaking worlds, following the defeat of the Roman army, under the command of Varus, at the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest.

    121 CE - 125 CE
    First trip of Hadrian around the Empire: Gaul, Germany, Noricum, Britain, Tarraconis, Cappadocia, Gallatia, Bythinia, Asia, Greece, Mesia, Dacia and Pannonia.

    167 CE - 180 CE
    Marcomannic Wars.
    167 CE
    Marcomanni sack Aquileia.
    168 CE
    Germanic tribes cross the Danube into the Roman Empire.

    It could have been absorbed when crossing the Danube. As the pre-slavic tribes were already recorded on the upper Danube by different names prior to

    Heres more on the timeline: https://www.ancient.eu/timeline/Roman_Empire/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    I am on Y37 but I will probably go to Y111 then Big Y
    No sense in that.
    I made 111 and it gave me not so much.
    Better invest into 1) relatives and 2) SNPs.
    It will be more 1) infomative and 2) cheaper.
    But Y64 you should do. 111 not necessary, as
    there is no need in that. Your admin should tell
    you what is best in your case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel von Rethelsky View Post
    No sense in that.
    I made 111 and it gave me not so much.
    Better invest into 1) relatives and 2) SNPs.
    It will be more 1) infomative and 2) cheaper.
    But Y64 you should do. 111 not necessary, as
    there is no need in that. Your admin should tell
    you what is best in your case.
    With respect, could you guys discuss subjects not pertaining to the OP elsewhere? thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel von Rethelsky View Post
    No sense in that.
    I made 111 and it gave me not so much.
    Better invest into 1) relatives and 2) SNPs.
    It will be more 1) infomative and 2) cheaper.
    But Y64 you should do. 111 not necessary, as
    there is no need in that. Your admin should tell
    you what is best in your case.
    Yes you are right, I shall ask those guys from serbian DNK project.
    I've seen those SNP's tests but I have no idea what are they for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel von Rethelsky View Post
    In is impossible to say for sure, as there is none ancient samples.
    Only assumption is that it came with Slavs, as it is mainly northslavic marker.

    But who knows for sure, especially about incidental wanderings.
    Only, no slavs belong to L1029* per Yfull, but further downstream L1029 clades(which I lack in entirety). I think people need to take into account that many of these branches(whether integral to the slavic ethnogenesis or not) were already wide spread prior to the formation of the Slavs to begin with. Considering this branch has a TMRCA of 2000ypb. It could have been brought by any number of tribes in central and eastern Europe. I also have 26 unique SNPs not shared with anyone. The one SNP I do share(with 2 FGC kits being my only close matches) has a TMRCA of 2350 yrs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    Yes you are right, I shall ask those guys from serbian DNK project.
    I've seen those SNP's tests but I have no idea what are they for.
    With respect, keep your discussions on the OP. Otherwise anything that has nothing to do with the thread, you can discuss amongst yourselves via email.

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