R1a-M458-L1029*

[Rethel]

As for that 1 sample from Norway - likely a descendant of German settlers from Mecklenburg-Vorpommern (if you read about the history of Norway, you will see that many Germans settled there in Late Medieval and Early Modern times).

And even are at modern times.
Imagine, that they even established a society for foreign
nobility, which is not recognized by Fagingdom of Norway.
Few migrants wouldn;t be able to do so, as sociaty always
has to serve a larger group, than member themselves.
Examples from the Scandia shows also high german present.
For example, many "founding fathers" of uralic Finchuria were
actually Germans, and such city as Stockholm was yet in XVII
century mainly a german city. And these are just examples...

[Peterski]

Check FTDNA Projects and see if there are other people with L1029* without any downstream SNPs.

Because Y-Full - of course - just lists some selected examples, it doesn't list all available samples.

[Dibran]

But in this case it is not so relevant, as it is known, that V13
is not ilirian, not slavic, not greek, not even Indoeuropean.

In the case of R*, which is IE, the scattering of subtype between
subgroups can be very confusing, as the last level common for this
groups were probably protoproto IE times. Even if some groups did
split monoclanicly (it is visible only in couple of clades) then later,
through 90% of history, were mixing constantly. So, it would be
relevant in such case to know, was such clade pre-slavic or not,
to determine evantual original dialectical subgroup of origin. But
it seems from genealogical and historical perspective, that slavic
wanderings are allready a very deep antiquity, as it is probably
impossible to say, what would be origin of such clade as yours.

It is also important to mention, that eventual deslavization could
happen of any moment between VI century and XIX (i dont know
how old is your known history), and even earlier, as I pointed in
earlier post of mine. So, I sometimes wonder, if there is sense of
debating such cases, as it never can be sure.




Just it is not known yet
But maybe it will be finaly established

What part of I am not a Slav do you not understand? Or do you not understand your autsomal profile determines your ethnicity? Using your logic all E-V13 people are African. I think I won't take that approach.

To your earlier response My only close match at 1000 TMRCA is an Albanian. And My family has known history in our village for at least 5-600 years.

[Rethel]

So now we see, that Dibran, does not only hate Slavs,
(as he is butthurted about such even theoretical or joking
possibility), but also is on good way to become albanian wannabe
(if his result will turn to be definitly slavic of course)

[Dibran]

So now we see, that Dibran, does not only hate Slavs,
(as he is butthurted about such even theoretical or joking
possibility), but also is on good way to become albanian wannabe
(if his result will turn to be definitly slavic of course)

No, its because you Slavs have a wet dream to make everything Slavic. Even if my ancestor was. it was 2000 years ago. Is an R1b African American European now because his paternal ancestor was a Slave owner? How stupid are you? I don't even cluster with Slavs to begin with.

[Rethel]

What part of I am not a Slav do you not understand?

Are you normal? We are disscussing your result, and you
are butthurted about even joking you to be a Slav? Are
you crazy like rest of TA-albanians? I thought you are
one normal here... Last talk with you made me doubt it,
but now you are making it very clear. It is very sad, that
there is no normal people in Albania. Either muslim, either
hater, usualy a freak. don;t be like rest of your comerades.
The choice of course is yours. Us can make you normal, so
get the opporunity and be one.

Or do you not understand your autsomal profile determines your ethnicity?

absolutly this is not true, as long as you are not a mentaly castreted
sissy pantywaiste. Ethnicity is not a race. Can;t you understand it?

Using your logic all E-V13 people are African. I think I won't take that approach.

Why Africans? Didn;t you see, that I do not use such idiotic
continental terms. They have no meaning at all. Only butthurted
people like you, who don;t like Slavs or Africans can use them.

They are just themselvs: pre-IE Kasluchs (Pelagnians
if you prefer). At best Hamites or maybe Egyptians,
but there is no need for the last one, as they are
separated tribe since almost ever.

To your earlier response My only close match at 1000 TMRCA is an Albanian. And My family has known history in our village for at least 5-600 years.

Still long after Slavs came.

[Kelmendasi]

So now we see, that Dibran, does not only hate Slavs,
(as he is butthurted about such even theoretical or joking
possibility), but also is on good way to become albanian wannabe
(if his result will turn to be definitly slavic of course)

He isn’t a Slav, its you who’s trying to make him into a Slav. He’s Albanian, anyone who even tries to argue this point is dumb imo

[Peterski]

Most of L1029 that is associated with the great migration are further downstream, which I lack.

Maybe some of this L1029* came before the great Slavic migration, but it still doesn't exclude its Slavic origin. Because East Germanic tribes had contact with Proto-Slavic tribes in Ukraine and Belarus / Eastern Poland.

If you read Jordanes he recorded for example Gothic-Slavic contacts in Ukraine. Some Slavs as well as West Balts were most probably assimilated into East Germanic tribes during the 200s - 400s AD. It's not like Slavs just emerged out of nowhere in the 500s and 600s AD. There is even a lot of linguistic evidence for Slavic-Germanic contact zone / neighbourhood long before that. That sample from Cagliari for example looks like it could be from a Slavic or West Baltic lineage assimilated into the Vandals (correct me if I'm wrong but IIRC the Vandal Kingdom ruled over Sardinia for some time).

It's not a typical Germanic lineage for sure, definitely looks more Balto-Slavic.

Check also the distribution of its immediate ancestor, CTS11962.

[Kelmendasi]

Are you normal? We are disscussing your result, and you
are butthurted about even joking you to be a Slav? Are
you crazy like rest of TA-albanians? I thought you are
one normal here... Last talk with you made me doubt it,
but now you are making it very clear. It is very sad, that
there is no normal people in Albania. Either muslim, either
hater, usualy a freak. don;t be like rest of your comerades.
The choice of course is yours. Us can make you normal, so
get the opporunity and be one.

Yh we are all crazy because we don’t believe that the earth is 6,000 years old

[Dibran]

Are you normal? We are disscussing your result, and you
are butthurted about even joking you to be a Slav? Are
you crazy like rest of TA-albanians? I thought you are
one normal here... Last talk with you made me doubt it,
but now you are making it very clear. It is very sad, that
there is no normal people in Albania. Either muslim, either
hater, usualy a freak. don;t be like rest of your comerades.
The choice of course is yours. Us can make you normal, so
get the opporunity and be one.

You and your butt buddies on TA are a bunch of Pan-Slavists. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously? It is obvious by my OP that i acknowledge it most likely arrived with great migration Avaro-Slavs. That doesn't make me Slav. It only makes the earliest paternal ancestor Slav.

But what you seem to ignore is that I share none of the downstream SNPs under L1029 associated with the great migration events.