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    Obviously in early 9th century, there was a civil war inside Khazar Kaghanate where the ruling Turkic elite showed interest in adopting Judaism as religion.




    Khan Tuvan and the Kabars (fathering later Magyar elites) opposed to Judaism's spread.
    However they lost the civil war.

    They fled to the north, to Rostov.
    Khan Tuvan met with the Germanic-Viking Rus' tribe there.
    Khan Tuvan became the ruler of the East Vikings there, and he gave them the secret/skill of building a state. A civilizational aspect which Vikings (and ofc Slavs who were around) lacked.

    Khan-Tuvan Dyggvi, according to Omeljan Pritsak, was the name of a Khazar khagan of the mid 830s. He led a rebellion of the Kabars against the Khagan Bek. As this rebellion took place roughly contemporaneously with the conversion of the Khazars to Judaism, Pritsak and others have speculated that the rebellion had a religious aspect. Omeljan Pritsak speculated that a Khazar khagan named Khan-Tuvan Dyggvi, exiled after losing a civil war, settled with his followers in the Norse-Slavic settlement of Rostov, married into the local Scandinavian nobility, and fathered the dynasty of the Rus' khagans.

    Nevertheless, the possible Khazar connection to early Rus' monarchs is supported by the use of a stylized trident tamga, or seal, by later Rus' rulers such as Sviatoslav I of Kiev; similar tamgas are found in ruins that are definitively Khazar in origin.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khan-Tuvan
    The Jews of Khazaria
    By Kevin Alan Brook
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    This is the hypothesis of Ukrainian historian Omelan Pritsak, accepted by roughly half of scholars while the other half (Germanic Westerners) mostly reject it.

    Once upon a time, a handful Khazar Turks were accepted as heavenly leaders by Vikings and their Slavic + Finno-Ugric subjects.
    That's fascinating.

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    Semantics of Statebuilding: Language, Meanings and Sovereignty
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    Silver coins issued by Kievan Rus' 'khagan' prince Vladimir during the 10th century. On the back you see trident tamga adopted from Turkic Khazars.



    Prince Vladimir converted his Scando elite and the East Slavs to Orthodoxy in 988 AD, baptizing them in waters of Dniepr river.

    Tamga/seal symbols is Turkic affair.
    Tamgas show the heavenly mandate and glorious power among Turks of old.

    Omelan Pritsak was right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Böri View Post
    Silver coins issued by Kievan Rus' 'khagan' prince Vladimir during the 10th century. On the back you see trident tamga adopted from Turkic Khazars.



    Prince Vladimir converted his Scando elite and the East Slavs to Orthodoxy in 988 AD, baptizing them in waters of Dniepr river.

    Tamga/seal symbols is Turkic affair.
    Tamgas show the heavenly mandate and glorious power among Turks of old.

    Omelan Pritsak was right.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coinneach View Post
    Ukraine adopted the tamga as their modern symbol to claim being they are rightful descent of Sviatoslav and Volidimir of Kievan Rus.

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