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    A lot of people would consider most of my views rather liberal, but I disagree with liberals in some areas, and I will share them here.

    Porn: I think porn is disgusting and degenerate, and it should be banned. It is dehumanizing, and ironically, a shit ton of porn scenes include things liberals are usually against (i.e. sexism, racial stereotyping, objectification, etc.). Porn also causes depression, self-esteem issues, and is sometimes correlated with making people become violent. Also, it gives people unrealistic expectations when it comes to real sex. I also think porn just ruins society because society just becomes more sex-craved.

    Men Can Be Oppressed Too: Men can be oppressed, too. Albeit, not as much as women are, but they still are. Men face issues when it comes to child custody battles, not being taken seriously when they face sexual assault/rape, etc.

    You can be racist to white people: I don't believe that white people are systematically oppressed in America, and I do believe that POC have far more issues with racism in America than whites do. However, I do believe that you can still be racist towards white people on a non-systematic level. Having hatred towards someone's race is racist. I certainly agree that white people aren't systematically oppressed and I support racial movements for POC. I do think white people who compare being called a "cracker" to the systematic oppression black people face are ignorant; but at the end of the day, whites can technically face racism, too.

    The family unit is very important: Something I agree with that older people in my country say is that family is important. A lot of people my age aren't planning on having kids and that highly frightens me for the future.
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    I am curious to know where other liberal members have disagreements with liberals, or where conservative members have agreements.
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    I don’t believe you ever registered for a liberal card.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spik View Post
    I don’t believe you ever registered for a liberal card.
    He's more closer to the mindset of a classical liberal than modern day liberalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myanthropologies View Post
    I am curious to know where other liberal members have disagreements with liberals, or where conservative members have agreements.
    Yes. The following is an idea that comes from feminism that I disagree with, and while I am saying women here because I am quoting what feminists often say, this view applies to women, men, nonbinary people, anyone who engages in the behavior mentioned.

    I disagree with modern feminists and their allies who state "Support all women no matter their choices!" and saying that it is not only something that one should be allowed to do, but should be applauded/promoted/celebrated when someone acts promiscuous, slutty, and irresponsible. Yes, you should be allowed to be a sex worker, have a sugar daddy and brag about not working otherwise, but we should not have to accept this as progress and think it is a good thing, nor should the rest of us have to keep silent lest we be accused of "slut shaming." My view is you do you, but don't brag about it or make everyone else view the choice as empowered when really it is not. Just because you CAN do it doesn't mean it is GOOD to do it.

    Cardi B telling her fans to not work or go to school and just get sugar daddies is not good advice nor is it progress. But at least she never pretended she was a good role model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myanthropologies View Post
    I am curious to know where other liberal members have disagreements with liberals, or where conservative members have agreements.
    Everything you said.
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    Out of Germanics / Jews / Mongoloids, I would say that Jews have the best values.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    Yes. The following is an idea that comes from feminism that I disagree with, and while I am saying women here because I am quoting what feminists often say, this view applies to women, men, nonbinary people, anyone who engages in the behavior mentioned.

    I disagree with modern feminists and their allies who state "Support all women no matter their choices!" and saying that it is not only something that one should be allowed to do, but should be applauded/promoted/celebrated when someone acts promiscuous, slutty, and irresponsible. Yes, you should be allowed to be a sex worker, have a sugar daddy and brag about not working otherwise, but we should not have to accept this as progress and think it is a good thing, nor should the rest of us have to keep silent lest we be accused of "slut shaming." My view is you do you, but don't brag about it or make everyone else view the choice as empowered when really it is not. Just because you CAN do it doesn't mean it is GOOD to do it.

    Cardi B telling her fans to not work or go to school and just get sugar daddies is not good advice nor is it progress. But at least she never pretended she was a good role model.
    This too. I think it is okay to dress like promiscuous and women should be able to wear whatever they want. I also think that people should be able to do them and make their own decisions, but I think that promoting sluttyness is not progress.

    I think that guys and girls can be sluts, but I will never shame them for it or tell them how to live their life. I just don't think it's progress and it shouldn't be something we promote.

    One thing I hate about America is that we give attention, money, and fame to 14 year olds like Danielle Bregoli, whom are extremely disobedient and on the path to either prison or being killed, and people like the Kardashians who make money off of simply being promiscuous. People value education less now, people value safety less now, and people value drugs, sugar daddies, and trashiness more now. It is destroying our country and it's society. Again, these girls are on paths to prison or death, and it is very serious.
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    The seductiveness of liberalism is that the great majority of its positions represent what is right taken to a wrong extreme. In race, liberals are right to think that men should be equal before the law, but wrong to think they are equal in intelligence, behavior, racial characteristics or in any other substantive way. In gender matters, liberals are right to assert that women should not be chained to hearth and home, but wrong to think that women can be just like men or that most women would be happy in a role other than that dictated by 'anatomy is destiny'. In sexuality, liberals are right that sex does not have to be rigidly limited to marriage, but wrong to think that sex is merely another form of recreation such as picnics or quoits. In homosexuality, liberals are right to assert that there is no argument about taste, and that there is no reason to regulate the behavior of consenting adults in private; but wrong to assert that homosexuality is equal in social desirability to heterosexuality, that homosexuals are fit for familial relationships such as marriage and child-raising, or that homosexuals belong as scoutmasters, soldiers, teachers or the like. In religion, liberals are right that God is dead, but wrong to think that an institution like religion, which has proved its value and staying power over thousands of years of social evolution, can be safely destroyed without first developing new institutions which will produce equally effective moral suasions and social stability. In short, by being half-right, liberalism has been worse than completely wrong, because what came before -- no matter how mistaken in some cosmic sense -- had at least passed the test of time, while liberalism has not only failed every test to which it has been subject, but is on the verge of leaving the world's greatest civilization in ruins, and in the process extinguishing the small but very special group of men and women who produced that civilization -- the white race -- in a genocide of the rising tide of Turd-world color.

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    Re porn: many feminists oppose it precisely because they see it as degrading and objectifying. (I am a full advocate of free speech, btw, including on this issue). Anyway, as I have actually discussed in other threads, there is definitely a double standard where women who like to flaunt their bodies to attract men are seen as either tarts (by social conservatives) or victims (by certain feminists), whereas men who like to flaunt their bodies to attract women are seen as normal or even commendable.

    I also dislike how so-called liberals can be hostile to free speech. In a free society, provided that one does not actually incite to hurt or kill an individual or a group, then things should be discussed openly and without restriction. Hate speech laws are of highly dubious value and can be deeply censorious, and the existence of Holocaust denial laws in many European countries and Israel is an abomination. (No, I am not saying that Holocaust denial is right, but that people should not be persecuted for it and that the Holocaust should be as freely debated as any other historical event).

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    Moreover, on racial issues too many liberals make two fundamental mistakes:

    (1) Thinking only White people as individuals can be racist.
    (2) Thinking that Western countries are necessarily the worst for racism.

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