View Poll Results: Is North Italy part of Central Europe?

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  • Northeast Italy is, Northwest Italy isn't

    7 8.14%
  • Northwest Italy is, Northeast Italy isn't

    2 2.33%
  • All of North Italy is part of Central Europe

    32 37.21%
  • None of North Italy is part of Central Europe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    So you think Northeast Italy is CE whereas Northwest Italy isn't? Vote in the poll.
    Venice is not central european looking (neither the history). So I can't vote for that option.

    Perhaps you should mention the alps region, like the Tyrol, which part of central Europe.

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    Transitional region but no, south of the Alps is not central Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stears View Post
    I was in Triest, the city look like central europe. But the rest of northern Italy, does not central european looking.
    Triest has a particular history, it was incorporated in the Austro-Hungarian Empire for a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebastianus Rex View Post
    Triest has a particular history, it was incorporated in the Austro-Hungarian Empire for a long time.
    And it is visible in the architecture. Many downtown streets similar to Vienna or Budapest. However the local people in Triest mostly medo looking

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stears View Post
    Venice is not central european looking (neither the history). So I can't vote for that option.

    Perhaps you should mention the alps region, like the Tyrol, which part of central Europe.
    Tyrol is not seen as part of 'Italy proper' by many folk. Since you don't even see Venice as part of CE, it'd make more sense to vote for the fourth option (none of NI is part of CE).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    Tyrol is not seen as part of 'Italy proper' by many folk. Since you don't even see Venice as part of CE, it'd make more sense to vote for the fourth option (none of NI is part of CE).
    Tyrol was always part of Austria. Italians occupy the region after ww1. But the people and culture are German

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    Transitional between Southern and Central, not solely Central.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stears View Post
    Venice is not central european looking (neither the history). So I can't vote for that option.

    Perhaps you should mention the alps region, like the Tyrol, which part of central Europe.
    If there is one region in Italy that is culturally and anthropologically closest to Central Europe it is Venice...

    They even destroyed Rome, other Italians would never have done that...

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    North Italy is the Mediterranean part of Central Europe.
    I hope this statement is going to make everyone happy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stears View Post
    And it is visible in the architecture. Many downtown streets similar to Vienna or Budapest. However the local people in Triest mostly medo looking
    I have been in Trieste and Rijeka/Fiume; have you?
    I can tell you that Trieste doesn't look more Central European than Milan, Genoa, Rome, Barcelona, Madrid or Malaga...
    Well, all those places were influenced at some point by Habsburgic sense of lush city building perhaps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stears View Post
    And it is visible in the architecture. Many downtown streets similar to Vienna or Budapest. However the local people in Triest mostly medo looking

    Actually the wikipedia article about the city is very good and explains a lot, I bolded some parts:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trieste#History


    20th century[edit]
    At the beginning of the 20th century, Trieste was a bustling cosmopolitan city frequented by artists and philosophers such as James Joyce, Italo Svevo, Sigmund Freud, Zofka Kveder, Dragotin Kette, Ivan Cankar, Scipio Slataper, and Umberto Saba. The city was the major port on the Austrian Riviera, and perhaps the only real enclave of Mitteleuropa (i.e. Central Europe) south of the Alps. Viennese architecture and coffeehouses dominate the streets of Trieste to this day.

    World War I, annexation to Italy and the Fascist era[edit]
    See also: Battles of the Isonzo and Julian March

    Italy, in return for entering World War I on the side of the Allied Powers, had been promised substantial territorial gains, which included the former Austrian Littoral and western Inner Carniola. Italy therefore annexed the city of Trieste at the end of the war, in accordance with the provisions of the 1915 Treaty of London and the Italian-Yugoslav 1920 Treaty of Rapallo. While only a few hundred Italians remained in the newly established South Slavic [i] state, a population of half a million Slavs,[15] including the annexed Slovenes, were cut off from the remaining three-quarters of total Slovene population at the time and were subjected to forced Italianization. Trieste had a large Italian majority, but it had more ethnic Slovene inhabitants than even Slovenia's capital of Ljubljana at the end of 19th century.

    The Italian lower middle class—who felt most threatened by the city's Slovene middle class—sought to make Trieste a città italianissima, committing a series of attacks led by Black Shirts against Slovene-owned shops, libraries, and lawyers' offices, and even the Trieste National Hall, a central building to the Slovene community.[16] By the mid-1930s several thousand Slovenes, especially members of the middle class and the intelligentsia from Trieste, emigrated to the Kingdom of Yugoslavia or to South America. Among the notable Slovene émigrés from Trieste were the author Vladimir Bartol, the legal theorist Boris Furlan and the Argentine architect Viktor Sulčič. The political leadership of the around 70,000 émigrés from the Julian March in Yugoslavia was mostly composed of Trieste Slovenes: Lavo Čermelj, Josip Vilfan and Ivan Marija Čok. In 1926, claiming that it was restoring surnames to their original Italian form, the Italian government announced the Italianization of German, Slovene and Croatian surnames.[17][18] In the Province of Trieste alone, 3.000 surnames were modified and 60.000 people had their surnames amended to an Italian-sounding form.[19] The psychological trauma, experienced by more than 150,000 people, led to a massive emigration of German and Slavic families from Trieste.[20] Despite the exodus of the Slovene and German speakers, the city's population increased because of the migration of Italians from other parts of Italy. Several thousand ethnic Italians from Dalmatia also moved to Trieste from the newly-created Yugoslavia.[21]

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