Are tatars or samis more mongoloid?

[Böri]

Anatolian Turks are Oghuz Turks while Crimean Tatars are Kipchaks, they arrived with the mongol conquest and Crimean Khanate was found after the dissolution of Golden Horde, so Crimean Tatars aren't from Turkey. Crimean Tatars and Anatolians aren't the same we have Crimean Tatars in Turkey they look distinct, much more Mongoloid than an usual Turk. We had one in my school he had slanted eyes. Not all of them have slanted eyes but they still have much more Mongoloid on average.

Hell.
You talk nonsense.
Yalıboylu Crimean Tatars are Oğuz Turks.
The half south of the Crimean Peninsula are Oğuz.

[Böri]

Eurovision contest winner Jamala, who sang for Ukraine a song in half-English half-Turkic language.



The Turkic part of her song is Yalıboylu type Tatar language (Strongly Oğuz with Kypchak).

It's why that is mutually intelligible (96%) with Turkish language from Turkey.

[Leto]

The Crimean samples I've seen so far were all over 20% mongoloid and the percentage of Baltic and that kind of stuff was higher than that of Anatolian Turks.

[Marmara]

Hell.
You talk nonsense.
Yalıboylu Crimean Tatars are Oğuz Turks.
The half south of the Crimean Peninsula are Oğuz.

Okay so some of them are Oghuz

[Seya]

tatars here look central asian...but volga tatars don't look asian at all to my eyes.

[Pizdastratos]

Anatolian Turks are Oghuz Turks while Crimean Tatars are Kipchaks, they arrived with the mongol conquest and Crimean Khanate was found after the dissolution of Golden Horde, so Crimean Tatars aren't from Turkey. Crimean Tatars and Anatolians aren't the same we have Crimean Tatars in Turkey they look distinct, much more Mongoloid than an usual Turk. We had one in my school he had slanted eyes. Not all of them have slanted eyes but they still have much more Mongoloid on average.

I'm not saying they are from Turkey. But I put forward here the crimeans and the anatolians have identical ancient and medieval origin before turkic invasions. And language doesn't matter at all, but southern crimeans speak an Oghuz dialect if it's so important to you.
The fact that crimeans look a bit different is just illustrative of how densely populated Anatolia was and population of it was able to absorb mongoloid element far more successfully

[Böri]

Seljuk conquest of southern Crimea and later, Mongol favouring of Turks:

So let us summarize the story:
when Slavs of Kievan Rus defeated Khazars in alliance with Byzantines and some Turkic tribes east of Khazars, the Slavic and Italian colonist people became more prominent in southern Ukraine and Crimea. Things changed when Batu Khan founded the Golden Horde and started to invade Eastern Europe. He favored Turkic groups against Slavs. Berke who became great Khan after him converted and then Seljuk Sultan of Rum married his daughter to him. In return, Berke favored and even called Anatolian Turks (Oghuz or Turkmen tribal peoples) settle in Crimea and south Ukraine.

The Crimean Tatar, Alan W. Fisher, Part One: The Crimean Tatar Khanate, Chapter I: The origins of the Crimean Tatar Khanate

Okay so some of them are Oghuz

Nowadays you started to bullshit more and more about the history of Turks.
First implying that Yenisei Kyrgyz (people with light features) were not Turkic, then go tell Turks have in common with Levantine people, now come and tell that Crimean Tatars are all separate from Turks.

You are not evolving in the good direction my Kebab friend.

[Marmara]

I'm not saying they are from Turkey. But I put forward here the crimeans and the anatolians have identical ancient and medieval origin before turkic invasions. And language doesn't matter at all, but southern crimeans speak an Oghuz dialect if it's so important to you.
The fact that crimeans look a bit different is just illustrative of how densely populated Anatolia was and population of it was able to absorb mongoloid element far more successfully

Or maybe becasue they arrived with the Mongols, and that is why they're more Mongoloid on average. Oghuz Turks were not that mongoloid even at the beginning, besides, even Yörüks (largely unmixed Oghuz Turks who kept their nomadic tradition for centuries) score less mongoloid. I wasn't aware there were some Oghuz Turks in South Crimea migrated from Anatolia so now i'm in doubt, those Crimeans must be much more Turkish-looking on average.

Anatolia absorbed enough Turkic to make a distinction, Kipchaks and Oghuzes are two seperate people don't get confused.

[Marmara]

Seljuk conquest of southern Crimea and later, Mongol favouring of Turks:









Nowadays you started to bullshit more and more about the history of Turks.
First implying that Yenisei Kyrgyz (people with light features) were not Turkic, then go tell Turks have in common with Levantine people, now come and tell that Crimean Tatars are all separate from Turks.

You are not evolving in the good direction my Kebab friend.

I didn't say Yenisei Kyrgyzs weren't Turkic, i said they had heavy IE component. Are red head and blue eyes Turkic features? It's a fact Turks were middle-easternized even before arriving to Anatolia, and lately i was making something clear, some might have guessed that the Crimean Tatars are just Ottoman settlers.

[Böri]

I didn't say Yenisei Kyrgyzs weren't Turkic, i said they had heavy IE component. Are red head and blue eyes Turkic features? It's a fact Turks were middle-easternized even before arriving to Anatolia, and lately i was making something clear, some might have guessed that the Crimean Tatars are just Ottoman settlers.

Red hair and blue eyes are patented Indo-European features? Turkic and especially Finno-Ugric people, along with Caucasians can have such features.
What middle Easternization?
We crushed Arabs in early 8th century in Sogdiana and pushed them back. Turkic victories over Arab armies brought the end of Umeyyad rule, preparing ground for Abbasid revolts.

The only Middle eastern thing about us back then and now it's the religion. And got it from Khorasani Iranics not MENA's. Sort of people like Tajiks.
Now extinct.

It's not for you to teach us online who we are or so.

Actually we have nothing to do with Syrians or Lebanese, while we have almost all in common with Crimean Tatars.
Better not commenting on stuff you don't know, like we have seen in the previous page.

Wise person is he who doesnt talk about what he knows not.