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    Macedonian are Bulgarian
    Great Bulgarian Khanate
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    Buneva was born in 1902 in Tetovo, then in the Kosovo Vilayet of the Ottoman Empire. Between 1915 and 1918 when Vardar Macedonia was under Bulgarian military administration, Buneva studied at the Skopje's Girls' High School.[7] Her father Nikola Bunev was a mayor of Tetovo then, but in 1919 after the Serbian annexation of the area, she moved to Bulgaria.[8] Buneva studied there in the Sofia University, and married a Bulgarian officer.[9] In 1926 she divorced, and under the influence of her brother Boris, also a Bulgarian officer, Buneva joined the Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization (IMRO). Later on direct order by the leader of the IMRO, Ivan Mihaylov, she was trained in Sofia for fulfilling of a future terrorist actions. In 1927 she went back to Yugoslavia and opened a shop in Skopje with a conspiratorial mission.[10] There she managed to acquaint herself with Velimir Prelić, the legal adviser of the Serbian governor of the Skopje district. Prelić had been known for ordering arrests and tortures of young local students, members of Macedonian Youth Secret Revolutionary Organization, who openly opposed the Serbian rule.[11] The organization was discovered by the authorities in May 1927 and its leaders were arrested. On a trial in Skopje against 20 of them, most were sentenced in December to long-term imprisonment.[12] As result IMRO ordered the execution of Prelić.[13] At the appointed time on January 13, 1928, Buneva intercepted him on his way to lunch and shot the official after which she shot herself.[14] On the next day, the Serbian police buried Buneva's body at an unknown place.[15] Prelić also died in hospital a few days later and was buried in Skopje.[16] Her act was part of a violent resistance movement against Serbian policies of forced assimilation of the Macedonian Bulgarians.[17][18]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanas Django View Post
    Your grandfathers were Bulgarophiles because they understood they were Bulgarian.
    They identified as Macedonians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crn Volk View Post
    They identified as Macedonians.
    Most probably in a regional sense though, not national. Like different regional groups see themselves in Bulgaria (Shopi, Balkanjias, Vayatsi, Thracians etc). Of course Macedonians had strong regional identity (not last due to the fact that Bulgarian lang was codified on Turnovo dialect with some western influences), but I strongly doubt they saw themselves as something quite unique to the other Bulgarians and as another ethnicity. Most probably they saw themselves a regional subgroup of the greater Bulgarian ethnicity. Because lets face it, what is really different between a Macedonian and Bulgarian, especially back then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by A_Magnus7 View Post
    Macedonian are Bulgarian
    Great Bulgarian Khanate
    I see you don't play CK2

    Khanate = Kingdom (union of tribes)

    Khaganate = Union of multiple khanates (kingdoms)

    therefore Great Bulgarian Khaganate

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    Quote Originally Posted by ioan assen View Post
    Most probably in a regional sense though, not national. Like different regional groups see themselves in Bulgaria (Shopi, Balkanjias, Vayatsi, Thracians etc). Of course Macedonians had strong regional identity (not last due to the fact that Bulgarian lang was codified on Turnovo dialect with some western influences), but I strongly doubt they saw themselves as something quite unique to the other Bulgarians and as another ethnicity. Most probably they saw themselves a regional subgroup of the greater Bulgarian ethnicity. Because lets face it, what is really different between a Macedonian and Bulgarian, especially back then?
    My grandfathers were raised in Serbian occupied Macedonia - born 1918 and 1919. They despised the Serbs and later Tito and the communists. They considered themselves as Macedonians and the language they spoke as Macedonian. They did however look at the Bulgarians as big brothers and they proudly served in the Bulgarian army in WW2. They adhored Tsar Boris and cursed Tito and wanted an independent Macedonia. It’s funny one of them would say the Bulgarians would need to come and end our Albanian problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crn Volk View Post
    My grandfathers were raised in Serbian occupied Macedonia - born 1918 and 1919. They despised the Serbs and later Tito and the communists. They considered themselves as Macedonians and the language they spoke as Macedonian. They did however look at the Bulgarians as big brothers and they proudly served in the Bulgarian army in WW2. They adhored Tsar Boris and cursed Tito and wanted an independent Macedonia. It’s funny one of them would say the Bulgarians would need to come and end our Albanian problem.
    At least you are not an incoherent and blatant falsifier and liar. Kudos to you.
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    Greece established the first concentration camp in Europe on June 18, 1913. It is specifically intended only for Macedonian Bulgarians from the civilian population and captured Bulgarian soldiers. This is the camp of Fr. Triceri where between 3,000 and 7,000 Bulgarians were destroyed according to various surveys in just 3 months. In October 1913 prisoners of war were released, but the fate of the remaining Bulgarians is unknown. The Czech Vladimir Vladimir Sis, who visited the island in 1914, finds the mass graves of the massacred Bulgarians and photographs them. Pictured is Vladimir Sis in Chetnik uniform
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