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    Quote Originally Posted by Mortimer View Post
    ok. i thought you meant they must be yenishe. the yenishe are of celtic origins.
    Do most Austrians or Germans even know the Yenish exist? I don't think they do since they're so rare.

    I don't believe they are of Celtic origin, that's probably a folk claim or something. They aren't an ethnic group but a people with a lifestyle that exist all in many WE countries. If they are of Celtic origin, then so are non-Yenish Germans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    Do most Austrians or Germans even know the Yenish exist? I don't think they do since they're so rare.

    I don't believe they are of Celtic origin, that's probably a folk claim or something. They aren't an ethnic group but a people with a lifestyle that exist all in many WE countries. If they are of Celtic origin, then so are non-Yenish Germans.
    yenishe are a ethnic group by now. they are pretty much distinct group of people since the middle ages or before, they are pretty much a ethnic group, if bosniaks can split from croats and be a ethnic group etc. then yenishe can too. and not all yenishe have the same lifestlye many are pretty much assimilated by now but still yenish. i think most yenish are not travelling folks anymore but still identify as own ethnic group. and they were persecuted as gypsies under hitler. they are originally from switzerland i think and are of celtic origins, they arent just germans just because they are white. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yenish_people
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mortimer View Post
    yenishe are a ethnic group by now. they are pretty much distinct group of people since the middle ages or before, they are pretty much a ethnic group, if bosniaks can split from croats and be a ethnic group etc. then yenishe can too. and not all yenishe have the same lifestlye many are pretty much assimilated by now but still yenish. i think most yenish are not travelling folks anymore but still identify as own ethnic group. and they were persecuted as gypsies under hitler. they are originally from switzerland i think and are of celtic origins, they arent just germans just because they are white. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yenish_people
    They technically are an ethnic group now but they don't have separate origins from other Germans.

    Do a lot of Austrians or Germans know that Yenish people exist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    They are an ethnic group now but they don't have separate origins from other Germans.

    Do a lot of Austrians or Germans know that Yenish people exist?
    but they are also from switzerland, belgium, france and luxembourg how do you know they are germans and not gallic like the french or belgians like they claim? i believe what they say. and they have a own language a distinct language and are recognised national minority.

    i think many germans dont know about the yenishe. i know one german nazi from another forum who said he had a yenish co-worker and didnt liked him and that he is a gypsy, i told him yenishe are europeans, and he denied that. for him they are just gypsies. he was a right wing nazi german. even the irish and british dont like the "pikeys" (irish travellers) so i guess the germans would have some prejudice about yenish if they know them, but you are right i think that most germans dont know them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mortimer View Post
    but they are also from switzerland, belgium, france and luxembourg how do you know they are germans and not gallic like the french or belgians like they claim? i believe what they say. and they have a own language a distinct language and are recognised national minority.
    The Celts were in that land before the Germans, so they could claim Celtic descent to appear more autochthonous. There are many folk myths about the origins of people, not all of them were true. For a long time, Hungarians believed they were of Hunnish descent.

    According to Wikipedia, they claim descent from the Helvetii tribe. The Helvets only lived in Switzerland whereas you can find Yenishmen all the way in Flanders and Westphalia:



    They are nomads that migrate a lot. That's how they would have ended up in France, etc. which are countries that border Germany.

    The largest concentration of them are in Rhineland. If they were descended from the Helvetii, it would be Switzerland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    The Celts were in that land before the Germans, so they could claim Celtic descent to appear more autochthonous. There are many folk myths about the origins of people, not all of them were true. For a long time, Hungarians believed they were of Hunnish descent.

    According to Wikipedia, they claim descent from the Helvetii tribe. The Helvets only lived in Switzerland whereas you can find Yenishmen all the way in Flanders and Westphalia:



    They are nomads that migrate a lot. That's how they would have ended up in France, etc. which are countries that border Germany.

    The largest concentration of them are in Rhineland. If they were descended from the Helvetii, it would be Switzerland.
    I read the german wikipedia article about Yenishe and their origin folklore is not mainstream in history or science. So you might be right. I still dont think they are exactly the same as germans. To them it would be insult to denie their unique ethnicity.
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    Some people in those videos are completely indistinguishable from other Europeans.

    Do Roma have racism based on color within their community? Is there preference to more Roma looking individuals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CabOOM View Post
    Some people in those videos are completely indistinguishable from other Europeans.

    Do Roma have racism based on color within their community? Is there preference to more Roma looking individuals?
    Never heard of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mortimer View Post
    Never heard of that.
    It exists within the African-American community. It even exists within the indigenous Australian community.

    Where the lighter individuals are not seen as part of the community even though they are part of the community. It is not very pronounced, but it is a thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CabOOM View Post
    It exists within the African-American community. It even exists within the indigenous Australian community.

    Where the lighter individuals are not seen as part of the community even though they are part of the community. It is not very pronounced, but it is a thing.
    but gypsies are not black or indigenous, are blonde turks seen as less turk? no.
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