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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen View Post
    Did your dad not know his Italian grandfather?
    He didnt but my grandma did. He didnt stick around for long. The dude was all over. Argentina, Bolivia, Iran, India, Germany, Spain, Libya, etc. He was an orientalist, so whatever sparked his interest in southwest Texas is beyond me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CertifiedCracker View Post
    He didnt but my grandma did. He didnt stick around for long. The dude was all over. Argentina, Bolivia, Iran, India, Germany, Spain, Libya, etc. He was an orientalist, so whatever sparked his interest in southwest Texas is beyond me.
    What was his name? (If you don't want to say, that's fine)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen View Post
    What was his name? (If you don't want to say, that's fine)
    Pio Filippani-Ronconi. Theres a wiki page, I think. It was a rather big thing and who he was of less importance at the time. I couldnt find anything on any known legitimate children, so theres that. If he was anything like his friend Evola, im guessing he was extremely misogynistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CertifiedCracker View Post
    Pio Filippani-Ronconi. Theres a wiki page, I think. It was a rather big thing and who he was of less importance at the time. I couldnt find anything on any known legitimate children, so theres that. If he was anything like his friend Evola, im guessing he was extremely misogynistic.
    That's really cool. Did you know you were related to him when he was still alive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen View Post
    That's really cool. Did you know you were related to him when he was still alive?
    There was a story that wasnt really relevant until recently. Other than someone casually mentioning him, no.

    Judging by who he surrounded himself with, Im sure we wouldnt have agreed on much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CertifiedCracker View Post
    Playing devil's advocate here, but wouldn't the original colonists and their descendants be the true Americans? Discuss.
    No, "the" true Americans would be Native Americans, or what you call "Indians" over there...

    There were some early migrants from Europe to the Americas too, but were few in number and probably assimilated into the Native populations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    No, "the" true Americans would be Native Americans, or what you call "Indians" over there...

    There were some early migrants from Europe to the Americas too, but were few in number and probably assimilated into the Native populations.
    So wouldnt you also be saying Afrikaners are not Africans? And that they have no right to be in Africa?

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    Discovery of 500-year-old pistol parts sheds new light on Colorado's Spanish colonial history


    The dog screw in a recreated wheellock arm and a model wheellock pistol (Courtesy of the Museums of Western Colorado)

    The discovery of centuries-old pistol parts in Colorado is shedding new light on the state’s Spanish Colonial history.

    The spring-loaded arm, known as a “dog” and trigger guard were once part of a wheellock pistol, according to the Museums of Western Colorado, which has released details of the fascinating find.

    “The dog was found as part of an archaeological excavation conducted by the Western Investigations Team (Museums of Western Colorado) of a site, known as the Redoubt Site, which included bits of Spanish Armor and other Spanish Colonial memorabilia found near a small fortification, a few years back south of Grand Junction, Colorado,” explained David Bailey, curator of history at Museums of Western Colorado, in an email to Fox News. “After analyzing the material, we discovered there was a dog and a trigger guard [that] were from a very early Spanish pistol known as a wheellock.”

    ARE ARCHAEOLOGISTS CLOSE TO FINDING THE ALAMO'S MAIN GATE?

    The pistols, which could be almost two-feet long, first emerged in Europe around 1500.

    Metallurgic tests indicate that the pistol parts found near Grand Junction are from the sixteenth or seventeenth centuries, making the discovery particularly unusual. “The importance of the find is the material is usually found in Texas or New Mexico and not this far north in western Colorado,” Bailey added.

    The historian explained that the dog tightened two clamps that held flint or pyrite in place to ignite the pistol’s powder.

    “There are many theories of how the material got this far north, perhaps the remnants of a Spanish Exploration party or material that was traded to The Ute Indian that lived in this area,” he said. “Many mysteries still remain about this site and we are still working to find additional evidence of why Spanish Colonial artifacts would be found so far north and from such an early period.”

    16TH-CENTURY CHRISTIAN SYMBOLS FOUND IN CARIBBEAN CAVE

    The pistol parts are the latest archaeological find to provide a glimpse into America’s Spanish colonial history.

    In 2016, archaeologists discovered stones beneath San Antonio’s Alamo Plaza that could be associated with the main gate of the 18th century Mision San Antonio de Valero, as the Alamo Mission was originally known.

    http://www.foxnews.com/science/2018/...l-history.html

    New discovery by local museum could change Spanish history

    GRAND JUNCTION, Colo. (KKCO/KJCT)-- A new discovery by the Museum of the West could change what is know about Spanish settlers in Colorado.


    The museum's investigative team made a small, but significant discovery, and although it doesn't look like one, it's called a 'dog'. They found it along Kannah Creek, in Mesa County. It's a small piece of a Spanish rifle that dates back to 1500 or 1600.

    According to the museum, it was previously thought that the Spanish weren't even in the region until the 1700's. No Spanish artifact of this kind has ever been found this far north.

    "You could actually wind them up, and then you put the 'dog,' which we found, and it would set off a spark once you release the coil and you could actually fire the weapon," said David Bailey, the director of theWestern Investigations Team. "The real weapon was probably 3 feet to 4 feet long. They call it a pistol, but it looked more like a rifle."

    The team said it found this small piece about a month ago, and the groups still has some investigating to do. They believe either the Ute tribe traded with early Spanish settlers or an illegal expedition brought the gun to the Western Slope. They'll have CMU determine the actual age in the coming months.

    http://www.nbc11news.com/content/news/467771083.html

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    What if they were the original Solutreans and just came back home?

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    Quote Originally Posted by emziepiex3 View Post
    What if they were the original Solutreans and just came back home?
    Don't know about no Solutreans but are you the young lady on the pic...?? Damn gotta make a trip to Montenegro...

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