Asian Hun and Srubnaya admixture in the Hungarian Conquerors

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https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/01/19/250688

It has been widely accepted that the Finno-Ugric Hungarian language, originated from proto Uralic people, was brought into the Carpathian Basin by the Hungarian Conquerors. From the middle of the 19th century this view prevailed against the deep-rooted Hungarian Hun tradition, maintained in folk memory as well as in Hungarian and foreign written medieval sources, which claimed that Hungarians were kinsfolk of the Huns. In order to shed light on the genetic origin of the Conquerors we sequenced 102 mitogenomes from early Conqueror cemeteries and compared them to sequences of all available databases. We applied novel population genetic algorithms, named Shared Haplogroup Distance and MITOMIX, to reveal past admixture of maternal lineages. Phylogenetic and population genetic analysis indicated that more than one third of the Conqueror maternal lineages were derived from Central-Inner Asia and their most probable ultimate sources were the Asian Huns. The rest of the lineages most likely originated from the Bronze Age Potapovka-Poltavka-Srubnaya cultures of the Pontic-Caspian steppe, which area was part of the later European Hun empire. Our data give support to the Hungarian Hun tradition and provides indirect evidence for the genetic connection between Asian and European Huns. Available data imply that the Conquerors did not have a major contribution to the gene pool of the Carpathian Basin, raising doubts about the Conqueror origin of Hungarian language.

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Hypothethic homeland of the Hungarian conquerors.

[Rethel]

So as I used to say: Hungolians after all...

[Ülev]

were they R1a or R1b?

[Yaglakar]

Huns = Strong Proto-Turkic tribes (Xiongnu) kicking out weaker proto-turkic tribes from Eastern Steppes. Some broken proto-Turkic remnants subdue the entire Western Steppe, with all its Scythians, Germanic and proto-Slavic tribes and put Rome on its knees. LOL What would have happened if the Xiongnu migrated en mass with all their fine artisans, weapon makers and warriors? )))

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were they R1a or R1b?

Apparently they were I2, R1b and N1c but we have little Y-chromossome data avaiable to conclude anything.

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So as I used to say: Hungolians after all...

They were genetically part if not mostly IE though.

[Harkonnen]

The N1c1 R1b combo was already found from the Northern Europoid parts of Khazar Empire.

Afanasiev study (2015) suggests that "ethnic Khazars" had a kurgan burial rite, and he localizes their main center on the Lower Don. Their skeletons show Mongoloid traits. The R1b/N1c combo is from the Europoid area of the catacomb style burial rite, more to the north.

The mongoloid southern Khazars from Lower Don were all R1a1, Q etc.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...886-Magyar-dna

[Rethel]

They were genetically part if not mostly IE though.

Be precise: genetically they were everything.
So such frames are sensless - as you cannot see.

What is important is the 1. origin and 2. number of people from certain provenance.

[Harkonnen]

Be precise: genetically they were everything.
So such frames are sensless - as you cannot see.

What is important is the 1. origin and 2. number of people from certain provenance.

Magyar conquerors were descendats of Khazar Empire. As per the study I posted above. The original Europoid Magyars living in the northern fringes of Khazar Empire were N1c1 and R1b. The Turkic mongoloid Khazarians who became part of the Magyar posse were R1a1.