Moorish genetic legacy?

[Cristiano viejo]

Let's be honest : I don't worry about you. I was just asking myself how a narrow-minded person could be present in such a forum for years without being banned. Otherwise, I wouldn't deign to reply to your comments as you seem to understand History, Genetics and so one from your very narrow brain. It would be a regrettable waste of time

hahaha, a new user who plus is not European, talking about banning veteran users who plus are Europeans...

THE REAL QUESTION IS WHY YOU WERE NOT BANNED OF EUROPE, IMMIGRANT

[Leto]

I find your comment a bit funny.
As Spaniards say : ¿quién te ha dado vela en este entierro? "
Who said that Spaniards and North Africans were identical ? The two cultures are indeed distinct and I don't really need your point of view to realize it. I probably know Spain better than you do.
However, because of Geography and History, there are shared elements and "this isn't even debatable" as you say. People often think of Arabic loanwords in Spanish but what about the other way round? Did you know that Neo-Arabic spoken by Andalusi Muslims had a Romance substratum? It was brought to North Africa and some basic words in Moroccan Arabic /Berber are romance (the word for corner, table, eat, mole...). Do you know that Romanized Iberians were the second most important human component in Mauretania Tingitanias cities? Do you know that some Moroccans families are still wearing Iberian last names ? Do you know that Islam and Christianity share the same "characters", the same "myths" and so one ?

Last but not least : I asked him if he took a genetic test to know more about his background. When we claim things as he does, the least we can do is knowing more about his genetics ����

I'm aware of it all. However, you're obviously trying to prove that Moroccans somehow 'belong' in Spain or even have a right to claim something there. Which I definitely disagree with. I'll leave you with Cristiano viejo though.

[Cristiano viejo]

I'm aware of it all. However, you're obviously trying to prove that Moroccans somehow 'belong' in Spain or even have a right to claim something there. Which I definitely disagree with. I'll leave you with Cristiano viejo though.

lol! he could claim all what he wants (so Muslims do, really)... the thing is that he has nothing to do with Spain, even being an immigrant parasi... living here.

[Bobby Martnen]

lol! he could claim all what he wants (so Muslims do, really)... the thing is that he has nothing to do with Spain, even being an immigrant parasi... living here.

Envy boy.

[Smeagol]

There's hardly any, most Moors were native Europeans converted to Islam.

[Bobby Martnen]

There's hardly any, most Moors were native Europeans converted to Islam.

I thought they were from Morocco, and that's how they got their name.

[Smeagol]

I thought they were from Morocco, and that's how they got their name.

Initially yes, but they were later outnumbered by native converts. The Leaders were mostly Arabs and Berbers though.

[Leto]

Initially yes, but they were later outnumbered by native converts. The Leaders were mostly Arabs and Berbers though.

Yeah, I imagine during the last couple of centuries of the Moorish rule they were kind of isolated from the Muslim world geographically, so there was little immigration to Iberia from outside Europe.

[Cristiano viejo]

Yeah, I imagine during the last couple of centuries of the Moorish rule they were kind of isolated from the Muslim world geographically, so there was little immigration to Iberia from outside Europe.

Your friend Empecinado made a thread about how the descendants of the Moors expelled from Spain and that live in North Africa since then, look nowadays, 400 years later.

It seems that they are a different group, quite isolated or something so, in North Africa, famous for their pale skin colour and their light eyes, unlike native North Africans.

Some examples:





















https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ify-real-Moors

If they look so 400 years later and living in North Africa, imagine how they would be before the 1600 when they lived in Spain

And they, the so-called Muladies (native Iberians converted into Islam), during centuries not even were the most numerous group that lived under Muslim rules... the most numerous group were the Mozarabs (native Iberian Christians living under Muslim rule).

Mozarabs are the example that the vast majority of the population was native, since they constituted in the year 900 more than 75% of the total society under Muslim rule.

Many of them fled to the North under Christian domination, while others were converted to Islam, becoming Muladies (the people of the photos).
In the year 960, Mozarabs still constituted 50% of the total society under Muslim rule.
Mozarabs + Muladies = the absolute vast majority of the Caliphate society.

[Mingle]

(West-Central) Sicilians have some North African ancestry due to proximity to Tunisia, which means that both during the Arab conquest and previously during Carthaginian rule, whatever settlement took place from Tunisia would have brought Sub-Saharan, West Med, and Natufian type ancestry. The same should be true for Iberia.

How much? 5%?

What about Iberians? Would they get about 2% Moorish?