Was Stalin a churka?

**Rumata** · 07-18-2019, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by ixulescu

True, they were overrepresented at the top in all fields during the Soviet times.
Which goes to show that any population can have important contributions given a major opening (like the Caucasians had from the top Soviet politicians of Caucasian descent).

Where are all the Armenian engineers and scientists now? Nowhere to be found. That window of opportunity has closed.

Ignorant, now my region has more Armenians than it ever had during USSR by times. What window has closed?

The matter is where they are really overrepresented is commerce and business. Not engineering at all. Isn't it best not to meddle in a discussion you have no idea about?

**~~ixulescu~~** · 07-18-2019, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by Rumata

Ignorant, now my region has more Armenians than it ever had during USSR by times. What window has closed?

The matter is where they are really overrepresented is commerce and business. Not engineering at all. Isn't it best not to meddle in a discussion you have no idea about?

Even my basic knowledge in the matter allows me to say they were overrepresented in Soviet engineering. Armenian engineers occupied top positions like Artem Mikoyan (of MiG fame), Alexander Kemurdzhian (Lunokhod designer) and Mikhail Pogosyan (former director at Sukhoi).

In contrast, for instance, I haven't heard of any Estonian engineers in Soviet times, though I'm sure there were many. I doubt that's a coincidence.

**Rumata** · 07-18-2019, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by ixulescu

Even my basic knowledge in the matter allows me to say they were overrepresented in Soviet engineering. Armenian engineers occupied top positions like Artem Mikoyan (of MiG fame), Alexander Kemurdzhian (Lunokhod designer) and Mikhail Pogosyan (former director at Sukhoi).

In contrast, for instance, I haven't heard of any Estonian engineers in Soviet times, though I'm sure there were many. I doubt that's a coincidence.

3 names isn't that much to talk about any over representation indeed.

Here's a list of 200 surnames of Soviet engineers out of which only 3.5% are Armenian. And out of those 3.5% two percents probably originate from Jews (Abramyan).

Spoiler!

**~~ixulescu~~** · 07-18-2019, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by Rumata

3 names isn't that much to talk about any over representation indeed.

Here's a list of 200 surnames of Soviet engineers out of which only 3.5% are Armenian. And out of those 3.5% two percents probably originate from Jews (Abramyan).

Spoiler!

Excellent, but I haven't heard about 99% of them. I'm talking about overrepresentation at the top.

**Rumata** · 07-18-2019, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by ixulescu

Excellent, but I haven't heard about 99% of them. I'm talking about overrepresentation at the top.

I guess you have no proof for this statement.

Besides, you said the following ravings were "true":

Armenian and Georgian churkas were literally all the scientists and engineers in the Soviet Union.

**~~ixulescu~~** · 07-18-2019, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by Rumata

I guess you have no proof for this statement.

Besides, you said the following ravings were "true":

you're deliberately misquoting me. I said they were overrepresented, not that they were "literally all the scientists and engineers in the Soviet Union."
where did you come up with that?

and why are you so upset with this? what's your point?

**Rumata** · 07-19-2019, 04:28 AM

Originally Posted by ixulescu

you're deliberately misquoting me. I said they were overrepresented, not that they were "literally all the scientists and engineers in the Soviet Union."
where did you come up with that?

I quoted sean, not you. But you've quoted him and said what he said were "true". Do you try to play dumb or troll me??

Originally Posted by sean

Ironically, Armenian and Georgian churkas were literally all the scientists and engineers in the Soviet Union.

and why are you so upset with this? what's your point?

Because you talk BS. The matter is in USSR they were most overrepresented in the shoe repairing service. And now also in trade, commerce and business. That is where money flow the most.
And you supposed there are less of them in Russia now. While it's exactly the other way around.

**Arsen_** · 07-24-2019, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by Rumata

3 names isn't that much to talk about any over representation indeed.
Here's a list of 200 surnames of Soviet engineers out of which only 3.5% are Armenian. And out of those 3.5% two percents probably originate from Jews (Abramyan).

Ты действительно такой клинический идиот или косишь под идиота?? Абрамян это распространенная армянская фамилия и имеет не больше отношения к евреям, чем русские Абрамовы, американские Абраамы Линкольны и т.д и т.п.

P.S. Тебя наверное в детстве обидели сверстники армяне, сейчас свои детские комплексы реализуешь тут.

**Arsen_** · 07-24-2019, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by ixulescu

True, they were overrepresented at the top in all fields during the Soviet times.
Which goes to show that any population can have important contributions given a major opening (like the Caucasians had from the top Soviet politicians of Caucasian descent).

Where are all the Armenian engineers and scientists now? Nowhere to be found. That window of opportunity has closed.

In fact, there are a lot of brilliant Armenian scientists and engineers in today's Russia as well. And I can name them if you are interested. And do not listen to that clinical idiot Rumata. Most likely in his childhood he was beaten by Armenian child and now he is implementing his children's complexes here.

**Rumata** · 07-25-2019, 05:54 AM

Originally Posted by Arsen_

Most likely in his childhood he was beaten by Armenian child and now he is implementing his children's complexes here.

When people like Arsen hear something they find unpleasant, even if it's true they instantly think about beating you up. That's surely a part of 'churka mentality'.