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    T762886 J-Z1842 Z. Shabana (IQ-Diwaniya)

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    # Population Percent
    1 East_Med 36.44
    2 West_Asian 21.84
    3 Red_Sea 17.18
    4 West_Med 7.13
    5 South_Asian 6.86
    6 Northeast_African 4.9
    7 Baltic 3.73
    8 Sub-Saharan 1.65
    9 Oceanian 0.27

    66.4% Bedouin + 33.6% Iranian @ 3.58

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmara View Post
    Just as i guessed, Sunni Iraqis also occupy west of İraq and it was historically part of Levant.
    I don't know whether he is Sunni though. Kut is mostly Shia, Wikipedia says. But genetically he is closer to Syria, as we can see.

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    Sunni Iraqis are closer to Levantines genetically. Shia Arabs are more Arabian + Iranian. Iraqi Bedouins in both North and South are distinct from both and don't show any Iranian influence. The non-tribal areas especially like Karbala and Najaf would have more Arabian and Iranian like influence. Well areas like Mosul, the Iraqi Arabs there are more similar to Assyrians and Levantines. Well isolated groups especially in the interior desert areas near Saudi and Syria it's more Arabian like.

    Some of these sample surnames indicate Persian origin especially Shahbandar, Alkahachi, Lapcha,Shabana, well others like Ajorani means The Georgian
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    This is a super African individual

    Kit T859459

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 East_Med 25.38
    2 Red_Sea 19.19
    3 West_Asian 17.56
    4 Sub-Saharan 13.39
    5 South_Asian 9.68
    6 Northeast_African 7.36
    7 North_Atlantic 2.51
    8 Baltic 1.34
    9 East_Asian 1.28
    10 West_Med 1.25
    11 Siberian 0.51
    12 Amerindian 0.32
    13 Oceanian 0.23

    The South Asian is pretty prominent as well.

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    I don't know anything about history of Iraqi population. But as far as i know Iraq was the heartland of Persia for many centuries. Maybe people in that place were a mix of Sassanid/Parthian Persians and Mesopotamians who were Arab like. We need ancient Mesopotamian samples and pre-Arab Iraq samples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hudayar View Post
    I don't know anything about history of Iraqi population. But as far as i know Iraq was the heartland of Persia for many centuries. Maybe people in that place were a mix of Sassanid/Parthian Persians and Mesopotamians who were Arab like. We need ancient Mesopotamian samples and pre-Arab Iraq samples.
    Assyrians are the pre-Arab people of North Iraq. Pre-Arab South Iraqis would have just been a bit south of them. Maybe pre-Arab South Iraqis could be modeled as "80% Assyrian + 20% Saudi".

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    By the way Leto could you find Turkmen kitnumbers on Gedmatch (not talking about averages)? I have seen 9 Turkmens' results on a website before and one Turkmen's result in the theapricity archive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hudayar View Post
    By the way Leto could you find Turkmen kitnumbers on Gedmatch (not talking about averages)? I have seen 9 Turkmens' results on a website before and one Turkmen's result in the theapricity archive.
    This is a "Turkmen" according to the archive


    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 25.62
    2 South_Central_Asian 19.31
    3 Tungus-Altaic 9.65
    4 Near_East 9.12
    5 South_Indian 7.64
    6 Ancestral_Altaic 6.72
    7 East_Siberian 5.74
    8 European_Early_Farmers 4.47
    9 South_East_Asian 3.91
    10 European_Hunters_Gatherers 3.41
    11 Arctic 2.17


    Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
    23 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 9.309083
    2 Tajik_Afghan @ 13.836973
    3 Uzbek_Afghan @ 16.631779
    4 Uzbek @ 16.772005
    5 Iranian @ 17.209370
    6 Turkmen_Afghan @ 18.087290
    7 Tajik_Tajikistan @ 18.362093
    8 Kurd_South @ 18.924225
    9 Nogai @ 19.067289
    10 Azeri @ 19.145065
    11 Kurd_East @ 19.668024
    12 Iraki @ 19.895912
    13 Turk_Adana @ 20.330544
    14 Kurd_North @ 20.563038
    15 Ain_Touta_WGA @ 20.749702
    16 Uzbek_Tashkent @ 20.769083
    17 Uygur-Han @ 20.772669
    18 Parsi @ 21.243067
    19 Turk_Aydin @ 21.421244
    20 Kurd @ 21.654858

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Iranian +50% Uzbek @ 5.913108


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Assyrian_Iraqi +25% Burusho +25% Hakas @ 3.970809

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    This is a super African individual

    Kit T859459

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 East_Med 25.38
    2 Red_Sea 19.19
    3 West_Asian 17.56
    4 Sub-Saharan 13.39
    5 South_Asian 9.68
    6 Northeast_African 7.36
    7 North_Atlantic 2.51
    8 Baltic 1.34
    9 East_Asian 1.28
    10 West_Med 1.25
    11 Siberian 0.51
    12 Amerindian 0.32
    13 Oceanian 0.23

    The South Asian is pretty prominent as well.
    There is more African admixture in areas in the far deep south of Iraq, especially Basra region. He seems quite atypical but there is still African community to this day. The more North the less the African admixture becomes. The same is true of the Western regions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hudayar
    I don't know anything about history of Iraqi population. But as far as i know Iraq was the heartland of Persia for many centuries. Maybe people in that place were a mix of Sassanid/Parthian Persians and Mesopotamians who were Arab like. We need ancient Mesopotamian samples and pre-Arab Iraq samples.
    Yes, but the Mongol invasion depopulated the region. So most of the Arabian and Iranian like admixture is post-Mongol. The Iranian like admixture was brought by Persian immigrants especially to Shia holy cities of Karbala and Najaf, and plus the long rule by Safavid, Afsharids which are bitterly remembered. Most chronicles show that the repopulating Iraq occurred from the Arabian peninsula and later Iran. Also the Turkoman dynasties were mostly Iranian like such as the White sheep and Black sheep Turkomans who ruled Iraq. Most of the Iranian influence is very recent and not ancient. Iraq was only the heart of the Sassanid empire since they built their capital there, but it was more Semitic than Iranian. Iranians came as conquerors and immigrants. Not to mention that Iraq had always had Arabian presence, but this would be stronger due to post-Mongol invasion. The Safavids wanted to have strong grip on Iraq, but the raids of the Arabian Bedouin tribes was to much for them. There has been several movements to the region of Iraq. Also many Sunni Persians migrated to Iraq, due to barbaric prosecution of the Safavids, and have assimilated into Iraqi society. We only have the Assyrians to show how ancient Mesopotamian genetics were, especially Sunni Arabs are closer to them, well Shia Arabs are more like Arabs and Iranians, and also many Shia Arabs trace their origins to various Bedouin tribes that eventually settled, and intermingled with the larger society. Iranian migration also never ceased to Iraq, and even continues to this day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hudayar View Post
    This is a "Turkmen" according to the archive


    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 25.62
    2 South_Central_Asian 19.31
    3 Tungus-Altaic 9.65
    4 Near_East 9.12
    5 South_Indian 7.64
    6 Ancestral_Altaic 6.72
    7 East_Siberian 5.74
    8 European_Early_Farmers 4.47
    9 South_East_Asian 3.91
    10 European_Hunters_Gatherers 3.41
    11 Arctic 2.17


    Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
    23 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 9.309083
    2 Tajik_Afghan @ 13.836973
    3 Uzbek_Afghan @ 16.631779
    4 Uzbek @ 16.772005
    5 Iranian @ 17.209370
    6 Turkmen_Afghan @ 18.087290
    7 Tajik_Tajikistan @ 18.362093
    8 Kurd_South @ 18.924225
    9 Nogai @ 19.067289
    10 Azeri @ 19.145065
    11 Kurd_East @ 19.668024
    12 Iraki @ 19.895912
    13 Turk_Adana @ 20.330544
    14 Kurd_North @ 20.563038
    15 Ain_Touta_WGA @ 20.749702
    16 Uzbek_Tashkent @ 20.769083
    17 Uygur-Han @ 20.772669
    18 Parsi @ 21.243067
    19 Turk_Aydin @ 21.421244
    20 Kurd @ 21.654858

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Iranian +50% Uzbek @ 5.913108


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Assyrian_Iraqi +25% Burusho +25% Hakas @ 3.970809
    Which calc is this?

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