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Thread: NEITHER BLACK OR WHITE: THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS

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    Default NEITHER BLACK OR WHITE: THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS

    There is a common misconception that the ancient Egyptians were either Black or White. This bogus claim has two equally wrong sides:

    The Afrocentric side: ALL pharaohs were BLACK and even the Caucasoid ones must've been only Ethiopians or Somalis with Caucasoid skull, none of them was ever White!
    The Eurocentric side: ALL pharaohs were WHITE or at least DARK CAUCASOIDS, none of them was ever Negroid!

    Both are equally wrong. None of these bogus claims is supported by any serious Egyptologist. The fallacies that are typical of both sides can be easily refuted.


    AFROCENTRIC CLAIM: "The Egyptians were obviously Black because they had Negro hair texture, thick lips and the noses of the statues are missing because Europeans were envious that large-nosed Negroid folks created an advanced civilization when DA WHITEY WUZ LIVIN' IN 'EM CAVEZ! And da so-called Caucasoid ones were like Ethiopians and Somalis, not da whitey!"

    EASILY DEBUNKING IT: First of all, their alleged "Afro hair" was a wig. Egyptians used to shave their heads and cover their baldness with wigs. Also, thick lips can be found in any race, even in Scandinavians and also Mongoloid folks, which doesn't mean they're mixed with Black Africans. The noses are missing from many Greek statues as well, aren't they? Were they BLACK PPL WHEN DA WHITEY BE LIVIN IN DA CAVEZ as well? Give me a break. Also, many Ethiopians and Somalis have Caucasoid skulls because they're mixed, as already proven by DNA tests. Afrocentrists often use the following artifact to claim that Narmer, a.k.a Menes (the very first pharaoh) was Black African, but it's easily refuted:



    EUROCENTRIC CLAIM: Oh, the Egyptians were definitely NORDIC WHITES who migrated to Egypt and founded it, because an amazing civilization can only be built by Nordics, no matter how many miles away Egypt is from Scandinavia. Their statues have blue eyes and their mummies have blond and red hair! HOW DARE you say that the Egyptians were Egyptians when they were obviously Nordic Europeans? Their mummies and statues have CAUCASOID skulls!

    EASILY DEBUNKING IT: So you be sayin' da Germanic tribes built pyramids and wuz kangz in Egypt but then they decided to forget how to build everything and then they came back to their tribes until Southern Europeans gave them civilization again only after the Roman Empire became Christian and fell? Cool story! Well, only a few minority of the statues have any eye colour other than black and most of them and gray instead of blue; even fewer are actually blue, and both the gray and blue ones can be just a religious or simply artistic representation of their power or any other form of symbolism. Also, only a few minority of the actually Egyptian mummies have blond and red hair, the other thousands of blond and redhead mummies that were found date from the Roman period of Egypt. Even the few minority of ethnically Egyptian mummies with these traits are most likely just a result of the chemical elements used in the process of mummification. As for their Caucasoid skulls, this skull shape can be found even in the darkest (some even actually black-skinned) people, such as many (if not most) Dravidians.

    Another very flawed fallacy used by both Afrocentrists and Eurocentrists whenever it pleases them is to analyse Egyptian art, either in terms of colour or facial traits. The problem with this fallacy is the fact that most (if not all) Egyptologists agree that Egyptian art was purely symbolic and never meant to be realistic (unlike Greek art). So, based on all evidences, I come to the conclusion that the ONLY way of determining their race is by analysing only the mummies.

    So, if any of you members of The Apricity have unaltered pictures of pre-Greek (and also pre-Roman) Egyptian mummies, please show here on this thread. On the internet I couldn't find anyone on any 100% reliable website (if such thing exists anyway), and I'm afraid that many ones I've seen on the internet are photoshopped to match either the Afrocentric or Eurocentric bogus claims. So, I want pictures of mummies only from credible sources, prefereably from BOOKS written by serious archaeologists/historians. If anyone here can show any, please share it with me and everyone else viewing this thread by posting it on the comment section. Thank you very much for The Appreciation (pun intended).

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    To be fair we dont really have a sizeable amount of ancient egyptian autosomal Dna tested

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    ancient egyptians are the same as modern day egyptians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greasycaveman View Post
    ancient egyptians are the same as modern day egyptians.
    Modern Egyptians came from Arabs who invaded Egypt and islamized it. It's because of ISLAM that we still don't have a certain answer about which race the ancient Egyptians were!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin View Post
    To be fair we dont really have a sizeable amount of ancient egyptian autosomal Dna tested
    Agreed. We should have the autosomal DNA of every single mummy. It's the 21st century and geneticists haven't done it yet... that's very weird.

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    ancient egyptians were clearly swarthy semitic caucasoids, ramesses ii (ozymandias) even had red hair, most genetic tests suggest that after the arab conquest the arabs assimilated them giving them minor admixture while the population largely remained the same genetically

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    The ancient Egyptians were neither Northern Europeans or West Africans, actually the idea they are either is fucking ridiculous.

    The ancient Egyptians were probably roughly similar to what they are today. Leaning caucasoid with SSA admix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasuke View Post
    So, if any of you members of The Apricity have unaltered pictures of pre-Greek (and also pre-Roman) Egyptian mummies, please show here on this thread. On the internet I couldn't find anyone on any 100% reliable website (if such thing exists anyway), and I'm afraid that many ones I've seen on the internet are photoshopped to match either the Afrocentric or Eurocentric bogus claims. So, I want pictures of mummies only from credible sources, prefereably from BOOKS written by serious archaeologists/historians. If anyone here can show any, please share it with me and everyone else viewing this thread by posting it on the comment section. Thank you very much for The Appreciation (pun intended).
    This thread is already running out of my proposal. Please, guys, focus on this proposal.

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    I read somewhere that they had less SSA admixutre than contemporary Egyptians. Not sure how true or reliable that info is.

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    Some USA Black guys call themselves Hoteps. They claim their ancestors built the Pryamids, were the rulers of Egypt.
    When it was announced that the Movie Black Panther was going to be released this stuff started popping up,




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