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    Quote Originally Posted by shlömö View Post
    I respect your opinion, but since all of the biggest religions were born in Asia, i believe Asians should know more about this. (i would like to learn as well)
    You said there are deities in Buddhism. This points out to the religion. Nothing more nothing less. Just because it is deeply philosophical as well is not making it any less "religion".
    Not all religions are monotheistic, some are polytheistic and Buddhism is kinda polytheistic sometimes.
    Asians don't necessarily know anything, many are too entrenched in the modern world. I have an MA in South Asian Studies and I have studied Hinduism my whole life.

    Buddhism accepts deities like ancient polytheism accepted the existence of deities. Even seeming atheists like Lucretius accepted the existence of deities even if he thought they didn't care about human affairs. This sort of deism is the closest thing you will get to ancient atheism with the exception of the Indian Carvakas and Lokayatas. Buddhism states that the devas are just as subject to reincarnation as any other being, and the devas even have a harder time reaching Nirvana because they are distracted by heavenly sensual pleasures.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shlömö View Post
    I respect your opinion, but since all of the biggest religions were born in Asia, i believe Asians should know more about this. (i would like to learn as well)
    You said there are deities in Buddhism. This points out to the religion. Nothing more nothing less. Just because it is deeply philosophical as well is not making it any less "religion".
    Not all religions are monotheistic, some are polytheistic and Buddhism is kinda polytheistic sometimes.


    I studied Buddhism in Japan. I have been invited by Thai, by Chinese, and by Japanese colleagues and friends alike to local Buddhist temples not as some local they're trying to "convert" but as someone who has more than passing understanding. My explanation is simplified but the OP is asking religion versus philosophy, not a breakdown of Buddhism.

    But as for religion I actually never denied it was a religion, in fact, I specifically said saying that Buddhism isn't a religion is incorrect. It just isn't a "traditional" religion like Abrahamic religions are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shlömö View Post
    Where does the bible say a faithful Christian attends EVERY service?
    Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful; 24 and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds, 25 not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another; and all the more as you see the day drawing near.
    - Hebrews 10:23-25
    I. COMMANDS ARE FULFILLED.
    A. He meets the command of Heb. 10:25.
    1. "Not forsaking" -- a negative command.
    2. "The assembling" -- it does not say the "assembly," but the
    "assembling."
    a. It is a verb participle that refers to the act of
    assembling. Thus, it includes all the assemblies of the
    church--Sun. night, Wed. night, Gospel meetings, business
    meetings for the men.
    b. It is not an optional matter. Attending gospel meetings of
    others congregations is optional because that is not the
    assembling of ourselves together. Where one is a member,
    God did not give us a choice in the matter.
    B. He gives God the worship that He seeks. Matt. 4:10; John 4:24
    C. He meets with the Lord. Matt. 18:20

    Concl.
    A. Why does the faithful child of God attend every service?
    (Summarize main topics)
    B. The word of God is powerful and strong on this subject. It
    overpowers by such strong reasons.
    C. Psalm 122:1. Let us be glad that we have time and opportunity
    to worship God.
    1. Let us take advantage of this great privilege and afford
    ourselves of the many spiritual blessings that are derived
    from worship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Óttar View Post
    Asians don't necessarily know anything, many are too entrenched in the modern world. I have an MA in South Asian Studies and I have studied Hinduism my whole life.

    Buddhism accepts deities like ancient polytheism accepted the existence of deities. Even seeming atheists like Lucretius accepted the existence of deities even if he thought they didn't care about human affairs. This sort of deism is the closest thing you will get to ancient atheism with the exception of the Indian Carvakas and Lokayatas. Buddhism states that the devas are just as subject to reincarnation as any other being, and the devas even have a harder time reaching Nirvana because they are distracted by heavenly sensual pleasures.
    You are right. Thank you for clarifying this! I'm sorry SvartVarg, i was probably wrong with my "polytheistic mess". Many would depict Buddhism as non-theistic right? It just sounds strange since they really have many deities... But again, they don't think too much about them, it kinda sounds more like a pantheistic idea.

    Interesting, i thought Lucretius was an atheist but it seems like he was more like an agnostic or a deist... I wonder if Spinoza was an atheist like some claim. Einstein sounded like a Deist sometimes, sometimes a bit agnostic... If Einstein felt this cosmos was some kind of self organizing force it would be a bit closer to a "religion" than just Agnosticism, i'm not sure if he ever gave any clear opinions on this. He spoke about "God", saw harmonies and symmetries in our universe and denied being an atheist or a theist. But it feels like Albert took Spinoza's God seriously, otherwise it would be just some wordplay...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SvartVarg View Post
    I studied Buddhism in Japan. I have been invited by Thai, by Chinese, and by Japanese colleagues and friends alike to local Buddhist temples not as some local they're trying to "convert" but as someone who has more than passing understanding. My explanation is simplified but the OP is asking religion versus philosophy, not a breakdown of Buddhism.

    But as for religion I actually never denied it was a religion, in fact, I specifically said saying that Buddhism isn't a religion is incorrect. It just isn't a "traditional" religion like Abrahamic religions are.
    Yes you mentioned those things! I'm sorry for my stubbornness and stupidity SvartVarg!

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    Buddhism is far too sensible, far too logical to be a religion. The Buddha warned his followers not to take ANYTHING on authority, even if HE had said it if it did not accord with reason and with common sense. Furthermore, if asked any question about God or a supreme being, the Buddha remained silent. Buddhism has, probably facetiously, been described as a godless religion, which, surely, must be an oxymoron.
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    most religions are just philosophies. not just buddhism.

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    I think it depends because there are more than one type of Buddhism, zen is more philosophical but other types maybe are more religious

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    It's a cult and a lie.

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    The practice of Buddhism serves to invoke the power of religious experiences. Traditionally, Buddhism is usually categorized as a religion. It's religion imbued with intense contemplation for quieting of the mind, the endorsement of compassion, the endorsement of self awareness; and invocational affirmations from sacred texts that serve in the capacity of prayers. Atheists and Agnostics like to call it a philosophy in a sinister way, so as to claim that it's better than religion, but that belies its true nature.

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