Oh okOriginally Posted by Peterski
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In most maps Turkey's only European part is colored, and you guys are spesifying it as Turkey (European Part) but you guys are also coloring Cyprus totally.
I mean, WTF?
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You can divide them into more than 4 groups probably
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This one for example. If Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan are included then why only European part of Turkey and Russia? Why France without Corsica?For a change, I chose population size instead of territory as a criterion.
I divided Europe into 4 parts with roughly equal population size each:
1. North-Eastern:
Kazakhstan 2.7 (European part)
Russia 112.1 (European part, no Kaliningrad)
Ukraine 42.9
Belarus 9.5
Finland 5.5 (with Aland Islands)
Georgia 3.7
Moldova 3.5
Armenia 3
Azerbaijan 9.9
Total - 192.8 million people (or 182.9 without Azerbaijan)
2. North-Western:
France 66.6 (without Corsica)
United Kingdom 65.1
Netherlands 17.1
Belgium 11.5
Sweden 9.9
Denmark 5.7
Norway 5.2
Ireland 4.8
Iceland 0.3
Jersey 0.1
Isle of Man 0.1
Guernsey 0.1
Faroe 0.1
Liechtenstein 0.1
Andorra 0.1
Monaco 0.1
Total - 186.9 million people
3. Southern:
Turkey 10.9 (European part)
Romania 19.9
Greece 11.1
Serbia 8.7
Bulgaria 7.2
Bosnia 3.8
Albania 2.9
Macedonia 2.1
Kosovo 1.9
Cyprus 0.9
Montenegro 0.6
Italy 59.3
Spain 46.4
Portugal 10.3
Malta 0.4
Gibraltar 0.1
San Marino 0.1
Corsica 0.3
Total - 186.9 million
4. Central:
Germany 82.8
Poland 38.6
Czechia 10.6
Hungary 9.8
Austria 8.8
Switzerland 8.5
Slovakia 5.4
Croatia 4.3
Lithuania 2.9
Slovenia 2.1
Latvia 2
Estonia 1.3
Kaliningrad 0.9
Luxembourg 0.6
Total - 178.6 million people
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Because French people smell bad.
No, seriously - it just looks better. Just like Russia without Kaliningrad.
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Some explanation for this map (Europe only)
Northwestern Europe is washed by the north sea and the Atlantic ocean.
Southwestern Europe is washed by the Atlantic ocean and (western)Mediterranean sea.
Northeastern Europe is washed by Baltic sea in west, Black sea in the south and streches towards Asian-European border on Ural mountain range.
Southeastern Europe is washed by the Adriatic, Aegan and Black sea.
Physical boundary between western and eastern part of Europe is poorly defined. However, it must be somehwere in central Europe, if we follow classical European regions.
Therefore border between Germany on the west (as well as Czech Republic) and Poland on the east (as well as Slovakia) has justification. Germany occupies important part of north sea coast, which belongs to the NW quadrant, while Poland occupies large part of baltic sea coast, which belongs to NE quadrant. Czech Republic is quite western positioned with it's main region Bohemia, and most of it's rivers flow into the north sea. So I placed it as northwestern.
Spoiler!
Slovakia is basicaly centre of Europe, but it's quite far from any sea, has clear continental climate and is mountanious country for the most part same like western Ukraine and extreme south of Poland. Therefore, Slovakia was placed in NE quadrant.
Austria is much closer to Adriatic sea, so it can't be part of any northern group. It shares alpine features with northern Italy, Switzerland and eastern France which were all classified in SW quadrant.
Same with Switzerland. Simply watching the map, it is clear entire country leans much more towards mediterranean, than towards northern sea. France is more complex story, because it has both northern and southern features, but country with large mediterranean coast simply can't be put into NW quadrant. It's against basic logic.
In the SE quadrant, Hungary is included due to relative closenes to the Adriatic, and the fact it's main geogrpahic feature Carpathian Basin streches deeply into other countries of SE quadrant, Croatia, Serbia and Romania. While on the north mountanious Slovakia forms different geological unit.
Another border country in SE quadrant, Moldova, could be potentially part of NE group, but it is still clearly more southern positioned when we split Europe in two, and climate itself is milder (wine growing!) than in countries of the NEE.
In the NE qadrant, Finland and Baltic states are included because they belong to the eastern European plain (baltics) and share geological/cliamatic features with extreme north of Russia (in case of Finland).
Last edited by Jana; 02-05-2018 at 05:42 PM.
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Feel free to divide Europe into 4 parts with roughly equal population in another way.
If you add entire Turkey (which has ca. 80 million people), this division will look differently of course. Or if you take away 10 million who live in the European part of Turkey, it will also change.
Russia has 4/5 of its population in Europe, but still a few tens of millions in Asia.
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If your purpose was that, ok then.
But I still wonder what do other members think when they were doing such a thing?
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Perhaps I could add Slovenia to the SW quadrant, because it is geologically more connected with alpine Austria and northeast of Italy, than with Hungary or Croatia, and it is as western as Czech Republic.
But usually border between western and eastern mediterranean goes trough Adriatic sea, and majority of Slovenia lies eastern towards Adriatic.
Hard case
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French people think Corsicans to be a mutinous bunch who smell like garlic. And you can't even enjoy their women.Because French people smell bad.
No, seriously - it just looks better. Just like Russia without Kaliningrad.
Anyway, as a Pole you also promote 'blockers' giving such treatment to WEM.
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