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    http://www.balkaneu.com/ivanov-maced...ato-accession/


    Ivanov: Macedonia expects Turkish support and lobbying for NATO accession

    By IBNA Newsroom / Published on: 20-02-2018, 20:39

    Unblocking of the integration processes is key for the long-term stability, security and progress of the entire region. We expect constructive support, assistance and open lobbying for Macedonia's membership in the Alliance by our friends - NATO members, said President Gjorge Ivanov after Tuesday's meeting in Ankara with Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan, according Ivanov's office.
    Ivanov said the NATO membership invitation would represent an additional incentive for the national reform processes and a positive example in the region, the President's Office said in a press release.

    The President thanked Turkey for its principled position in the name dispute.

    "The sovereign self-determination right of a country, guaranteed by the UN Charter, should not be denied by any state in the 21st century. The name differences should be settled within the UN and the framework defined by the UN Charter, UN Security Council resolutions, the Interim Accord and the 2011 ruling of the International Court of Justice. Touching upon issues such as identity, language and Macedonia's Constitution fails to contribute, but on the contrary, hinders the process of finding a solution. I am pleased that President Erdogan has voiced complete understanding for our positions on this topic and takes Macedonia's side," said Ivanov, who is paying an official visit to Turkey.


    President Erdogan reiterated Turkey's support to Macedonia's NATO integration and reaffirmed the principled position regarding the use of its constitutional name.

    "We were the first to recognize Macedonia's constitutional name. Our current position is the same as then. We are not budging left or right. Turkey has never used a double-sided game in diplomacy. We will die with the decision rather than retract it," added Erdogan.

    Interlocutors also agreed on the necessity to intensify cooperation in the fight against terrorism, exchanged opinions on domestic political developments, regional and international issues./


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    I see Macedonia in this map of Ottoman Empire. What is problem with it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by brennus dux gallorum View Post
    lol we also have this smoking like turks
    Despite the fact that tobacco consumption in Greece is higher than in Turkey? LOL..!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/ma...o-consumption/

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    Quote Originally Posted by adsız View Post
    Despite the fact that tobacco consumption in Greece is higher than in Turkey? LOL..!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/ma...o-consumption/
    I am aware, Turks are not even fanatic smokers, meanwhile not only Greeks, but people in Europe in general smoke many more cigarretes per day tan turks. So yes, I always wondered why this insult exists
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackrussell View Post
    You really don't see it , do you ?

    Turks arrive in a given area and support the oppressed and discriminated locals .

    Turk stands with oppressed , regardless of geography .


    Devshirme[a] (Ottoman Turkish: دوشيرمه‎, devşirme, literally "lifting" or "collecting"), also known as the blood tax or tribute in blood, was chiefly the practice where the Ottoman Empire sent military officers to take Christian boys, ages 8 to 18, from their families in Eastern and Southeastern Europe in order that they be raised to serve the state. This tax of sons was imposed only on the Christian subjects of the empire, in the villages of the Balkans and Anatolia.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devshirme

    The Janissaries (Ottoman Turkish: يڭيچرى‎ yeieri [jeniˈtʃeɾi], meaning "new soldier") were elite infantry units that formed the Ottoman Sultan's household troops, bodyguards and the first modern standing army in Europe. The corps was most likely established during the reign of Murad I (1362–89). They began as an elite corps of slaves made up of kidnapped young Christian boys who were converted to Islam, and became famed for internal cohesion cemented by strict discipline and order. Unlike typical slaves, they were paid regular salaries. Forbidden to marry or engage in trade, their complete loyalty to the Sultan was expected. By the seventeenth century, due to a dramatic increase in the size of the Ottoman standing army, the corps' initially strict recruitment policy was relaxed. Civilians bought their way into it in order to benefit from the improved socioeconomic status it conferred upon them. Consequently, the corps gradually lost its military character, undergoing a process that has been described as 'civilianization'. The corps was abolished by Sultan Mahmud II in 1826 in the Auspicious Incident in which 6,000 or more were executed.
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    Slavery in the Ottoman Empire was a legal and significant part of the Ottoman Empire's economy and traditional society. The main sources of slaves were wars and politically organized enslavement expeditions in North and East Africa, Eastern Europe, the Balkans, and the Caucasus. It has been reported that the selling price of slaves decreased after large military operations. In Constantinople (present-day Istanbul), became the administrative and political center of the Ottoman Empire, about a fifth of the population consisted of slaves in 16th - 17th century. Sixteenth- and 17th-century customs statistics suggest that Istanbul's additional slave import from the Black Sea may have totaled around 2.5 million from 1453 to 1700.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaver...Ottoman_Empire

    Sexual slavery was a central part of the Ottoman slave system throughout the history of the institution. However, it differs from the western idea of slavery. Meaning that domestic slaves was considered members of the family.
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    Macedonia was always Slavic
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    Quote Originally Posted by brennus dux gallorum View Post
    [I]That was too cruel even for a Turk.
    Dutch saying
    Im dutch and such saying does not exist. Otherwise I would have heard it everyday of my life. Try to be more factual with your subjective statements.


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