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    Nazi persecution of the Catholic Church in Germany

    The Roman Catholic Church suffered persecution in Nazi Germany. As a totalitarian ideology, the Nazis claimed jurisdiction over all collective and social activity, interfering with Catholic schooling, youth groups, workers' clubs and cultural societies.[1] Nazi ideology could not accept an autonomous establishment, whose legitimacy did not spring from the government. It desired the subordination of the church to the state.[2] The Nazi leadership hoped to dechristianise Germany in the long term.[3] Aggressive anti-Church radicals like Propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels, Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler and Hitler's "deputy" Martin Bormann saw the kirchenkampf campaign against the Churches as a priority concern, and anti-church and anticlerical sentiments were strong among grassroots party activists.[4][5] Hitler himself also held radical instincts on the Church Question, but was prepared to restrain his anticlericalism out of political considerations, seeing dangers in strengthening the church through persecution.[4][6]

    A threatening, if initially mainly sporadic persecution of the Church followed the Nazi takeover. Hitler moved quickly to eliminate Political Catholicism, and thousands were arrested. Despite continuing molestation of Catholic clergy, and organisations following the appointment of Hitler as Chancellor by President von Hindenburg, the Vatican was anxious to reach a legal agreement with the new government, in order to protect the rights of the Church in Germany.[7] The resulting Reich concordat was violated almost immediately. The Nazis moved to dissolve the Catholic youth leagues and clergy, nuns and lay leaders began to be targeted, leading to thousands of arrests over the ensuing years, often on trumped up charges of currency smuggling or "immorality". Catholic aligned political parties in Germany, along with all other parties, were outlawed in 1933, and Catholic lay leaders were targeted in Hitler's 1934 Night of the Long Knives purge. By 1937, Pope Pius XI's Mit brennender Sorge encyclical was accusing the regime of sowing "fundamental hostility to Christ and his Church".

    By 1940, a dedicated clergy barracks had been established by the Nazis at Dachau Concentration Camp. Of a total of 2,720 clergy recorded as imprisoned at Dachau, the overwhelming majority, some 2,579 (or 94.88%) were Catholic - among them 400 German priests. Catholic schools in Germany were phased out by 1939 and Catholic press by 1941. With the expansion of the war in the East from 1941, there came also an expansion of the regime's attack on the Church in Germany. Monasteries and convents were targeted and expropriation of Church properties surged. The Jesuits were especially targeted.[8] The German bishops accused the Reich Government of "unjust oppression and hated struggle against Christianity and the Church".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viriato View Post
    "Heinrich Himmler, who was fascinated with Germanic paganism, was a strong promoter of the gottgläubig ((literally "God-believing"), movement and didn't allow atheists into the SS, arguing that their "refusal to acknowledge higher powers" would be a "potential source of indiscipline".Himmler announced to the SS: "We believe in a God Almighty who stands above us; he has created the earth, the Fatherland, and the Volk, and he has sent us the Führer. Any human being who does not believe in God should be considered arrogant, megalomaniacal, and stupid and thus not suited for the SS."
    Do you think Germanic paganism and Aryanism is compatible with Christianity ? He probably belived in more than one, by the way...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    Kirchenkampf (German: [ˈkɪʁçn̩kampf], "church struggle") is a German term pertaining to the situation of the Christian churches in Germany during the Nazi period (1933–1945). Sometimes used ambiguously, the term may refer to one or more of the following different "church struggles": the internal dispute between the German Christians (Deutsche Christen) and the Confessing Church (Bekennende Kirche) over control of the Protestant churches; the battle between the Nazi regime and the Protestant church bodies; and the battle between the Nazi regime and the Roman Catholic Church. Around two thirds of Germans were Protestant, and one third Catholic when the Nazis took power. Many historians maintain that Hitler's goal in the Kirchenkampf entailed not only ideological struggle, but ultimately the eradication of the churches.

    Nazi ideology was hostile to traditional Christianity in various respects and the Nazi Party saw the Church Struggle as an important ideological battleground. Hitler biographer Ian Kershaw wrote of the Struggle in terms of an ongoing and escalating conflict between the Nazi state and the Christian churches. Historian Susannah Heschel wrote that the Kirchenkampf refers only to an internal dispute between members of the Confessing Church and members of the (Nazi-backed[17]) "German Christians' over control of the Protestant church.[18]
    Yes, Nazis did persecute churches and priests but it was by no means an atheist movement. The vast majority of them were deists and believed in a higher power so please try to understand what it means to be an atheist before starting to proclaim prominent nazi figures like Hitler and Himmler as atheists when they were not.

    "In Nazi Germany, gottgläubig (literally "God-believing"), was a Nazi religious movement of those who had officially left Christian churches, but kept their faith in a higher power or divine creator. Such a person was called a Gottgläubige, plural Gottgläubigen, and the state of being gottgläubig was Gottgläubigkeit. The term implies someone who still believes in God, although without having any institutional religious affiliation. The Nazis were not favourable towards religious institutions, nor did they tolerate atheism on the part of their membership: Gottgläubigkeit was a kind of officially sanctioned unorganised religion."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viriato View Post
    Yes, Nazis did persecute churches and priests but it was by no means an atheist movement. The vast majority of them were deists and believed in a higher power so please try to understand what it means to be an atheist before starting to proclaim prominent nazi figures like Hitler and Himmler as atheists when they were not.

    "In Nazi Germany, gottgläubig (literally "God-believing"), was a Nazi religious movement of those who had officially left Christian churches, but kept their faith in a higher power or divine creator. Such a person was called a Gottgläubige, plural Gottgläubigen, and the state of being gottgläubig was Gottgläubigkeit. The term implies someone who still believes in God, although without having any institutional religious affiliation. The Nazis were not favourable towards religious institutions, nor did they tolerate atheism on the part of their membership: Gottgläubigkeit was a kind of officially sanctioned unorganised religion."
    Oh, okay, I used wrong terminology. But what I have in mind is that they obviously can't be connected with traditional Christian teachings in Germany, they despised them. Take a look at this:

    Himmler and the SS

    Under Himmler's deputy, Reinhard Heydrich, the Security Police and SD were responsible for suppressing internal and external enemies of the Nazi state. Among those enemies were "political churches" - such as Lutheran and Catholic clergy who opposed the Hitler regime. Such dissidents were arrested and sent to concentration camps. According to Himmler biographer Peter Longerich, Himmler was vehemently opposed to Christian sexual morality and the "principle of Christian mercy", both of which he saw as a dangerous obstacle to his plans battle with "subhumans".In 1937 he wrote:

    We live in an era of the ultimate conflict with Christianity. It is part of the mission of the SS to give the German people in the next half century the non-Christian ideological foundations on which to lead and shape their lives. This task does not consist solely in overcoming an ideological opponent but must be accompanied at every step by a positive impetus: in this case that means the reconstruction of the German heritage in the widest and most comprehensive sense.

    — Heinrich Himmler, 1937

    Himmler saw the main task of his Schutzstaffel (SS) organisation to be that of "acting as the vanguard in overcoming Christianity and restoring a 'Germanic' way of living" in order to prepare for the coming conflict between "humans and subhumans": Longerich wrote that, while the Nazi movement as a whole launched itself against Jews and Communists, "by linking de-Christianisation with re-Germanization, Himmler had provided the SS with a goal and purpose all of its own." He set about making his SS the focus of a "cult of the Teutons". Heinrich Himmler and Reinhard Heydrich headed the Nazi security forces and were vehement anti-Catholics (both were born Roman Catholic)
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    Nazi's were pius christians

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    Nazis were occultist more than anything else.

    Occultism in Nazism

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    Who did read Mein Kampf knows most Nazi anti-semitism came from the Hitler's sympathy with the Catholic Party of Austria ideology.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen View Post
    They pretended to be Christian to win support, all the major leaders were agnostic atheists with pagan sympathies.
    Kosher Right propaganda, these sionists are talking a lot of shit, like say nazism is a left wing ideology and marxist (probable they will deny Marx was jew someday).

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    You can call yourself an elephant but that doesn't make it so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vojnik View Post
    You can call yourself an elephant but that doesn't make it so.
    I will use your argumentation to say that all muslim terrorists are not trully muslims, islam is a religion of peace, these terrorists call themselves muslim, but they aren't muslims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacrificed Ram View Post
    I will use your argumentation to say that all muslim terrorists are not trully muslims, islam is a religion of peace, these terrorists call themselves muslim, but they aren't muslims.
    Don't equate the unequitable. ISIS does not prosecute official Islam neither plans to replace it with Arabic animism.

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