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    About two months ago I ordered a cup of coffee at the cafeteria of the House of Commons.

    The girl who was making the coffee asked me where I am from, because my accent sounded familiar. When I answered that I am from Greece she smiled, saying that she had thought so, being from Macedonia herself.

    I told her that I have passed through her country, on my way to Serbia. When it was time to pay, she did not take my money: "The coffee is on me, because you are the first Greek I have heard say 'Macedonia'".

    As I recount this incident, I am assailed by doubts as to whether I should be doing so. I fear, first, that I am describing myself as a way-cool, open-minded liberal urging those compatriots of mine who feel offended because a neighbouring country is using the name 'Macedonia' to relax.

    I also fear that some Greeks will regard me as a traitor. And lastly, for a few moments there I felt like an idiot for exchanging the family silver for a caffe latte.

    I know many people who think as I do.

    I have no friends in Greece who say 'Macedonia' when they refer to Macedonia.

    No colleagues who can write down that name without placing it within quotation marks, not even those who couldn't care less about the matter of the name.

    That is, those who indeed forgot, not in 10 years, as prime minister Constantinos Mitsotakis had once predicted, but in 10 minutes.

    Cold War history

    In 1991, the Greeks, with massive demonstrations and active diplomatic manoeuvring, had denied to the neighbouring country, which had just gained its independence from the former Yugoslavia, its right to call itself Macedonia.

    The Greek argument was that a region within Greece was also called by that name and that former Yugoslav Macedonia would claim it. The issue remains unresolved to this day.

    Of course, this whole affair about the name of Macedonia is over. A double appellation has prevailed.

    The country is called Macedonia by all the world, and Skopje in Greece. If 'Skopje' as a national designation does not exist abroad, then the same applies for 'Macedonia' within Greece.

    The intense diplomatic activity of recent days and the meeting between the Prime Ministers of Greece and Macedonia, Alexis Tsipras and Zoran Zaev, at Davos, have raised expectations that the issue may be formally resolved after 27 years.

    Macedonia may finally acquire a regular, formal appellation to be used by international organisations, perhaps Nova Macedonia or Macedonia of the North, which will differentiate it from Greek Macedonia and so appease the Greeks.

    However, this glimmer of hope, or an "erga omnes" solution as the Greek side likes to say, is not really of interest to anyone else. No one, nowhere, will be using the new name.

    The rest of the world is right, not Greece

    Who is right? The rest of the planet is right, not Greece.

    It is not possible to call a country by the name of its capital city, nor to demand that a third country call itself as we would wish.

    Noone in Greece seriously believes the story about Macedonia's irredentist aspirations, so that we could ask anyone in Britain to do so.

    How on earth could one of the poorest countries in Europe, with grave national minority problems of its own, a country which ardently wishes to join NATO, pose a threat to a country five times as large and as powerful?

    Therefore, those of us who have no problem with this, can stop acting like officers of the ministry of foreign affairs, placing Macedonia within quotation marks in our writings or using tongue-twisting acronyms: PGDM (FYROM) is the no vowels appellation that Greece has provisionally accepted.

    Let us call it 'Skopje' in Greece so we do not end up with a blackened eye, and 'Macedonia' when we are abroad so people don't think we are idiots.

    Because the whole world does not merely call Macedonia 'Macedonia', but considers the Greeks insane in their persistence that it must be called otherwise - especially since we have never once in these past 30 years explained to anyone what it should be called instead.




    https://euobserver.com/opinion/140819

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    In case it wasn't obvious, the writer of this article is a Greek. Also, this isn't necessarily my opinion, I'm just sharing news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    I have no friends in Greece who say 'Macedonia' when they refer to Macedonia.

    No colleagues who can write down that name without placing it within quotation marks, not even those who couldn't care less about the matter of the name.
    Well, if tomorrow six billion people start calling a cat a dog, it will still not come naturally out of me.

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    What can I say, more real than this, can't be.

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    But still, naming airport, statues and places after greek culture makes no sense, thats just stupidity

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maintenance View Post
    But still, naming airport, statues and places after greek culture makes no sense, thats just stupidity
    That was idiotic and stubborn response by the ex government after the 2008 veto by Greece.
    However the new government is already making changes as the airport will be renamed "International airport Skopje".
    But the question is, what is Greece going to do about the name issue.
    With the latest rallies this does not look good, as majority of the Greeks don't want "Macedonia" in our name.
    It seams that for the Greeks, the best solution is the name issue to not be resolved at all, therefore keeping it's neighbor out of NATO and EU.

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    That's only 1 opinion, of a diasporian Greek. Nothing more.
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    We spend a lot of time in Greece discussing, arguing and assigning blame over the name of the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM), even though most nations recognized the country as the “Republic of Macedonia” years ago. Continuing this diplomatic dead-end harms us on two fronts.

    The first concerns our relationship with our northern Balkan neighbor, which we could have developed into Greece’s closest ally and most natural partner with a smarter and more flexible approach.
    http://www.ekathimerini.com/225637/o...keys-influence

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspar View Post
    That was idiotic and stubborn response by the ex government after the 2008 veto by Greece.
    However the new government is already making changes as the airport will be renamed "International airport Skopje".
    But the question is, what is Greece going to do about the name issue.
    With the latest rallies this does not look good, as majority of the Greeks don't want "Macedonia" in our name.
    It seams that for the Greeks, the best solution is the name issue to not be resolved at all, therefore keeping it's neighbor out of NATO and EU.
    I think first to have an agreement with Greece similar to that with Bulgaria, then to change the name of the airport. If not it will be repeating of the flag change. If the Greeks are determined not to accept Macedonia in the name then do not rename anything. Gruevski was right that was the only response available, after all his parents are form Aegean Macedonia so he has the right to consider Alexander The Great related to him in one way or another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Queen B View Post
    That's only 1 opinion, of a diasporian Greek. Nothing more.
    If he is the only one the prospect is gloomy

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