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    Arabic is way softer and good sounding than Assyrian the sound (kh) is seldom used in Arabik listen to this Arabik dialect from my hometown

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    Quote Originally Posted by McCree900 View Post
    The guy speaks sounds more closer to Arabic than to Hebrew since he pronounce certain sounds like 7a and 3a sounds without any trouble.
    Yep. He's speaking in Turoyo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turoyo), which is a western Assyrian language that's mostly unintelligible to us. We speak Assyrian Neo-Aramaic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_Neo-Aramaic). They do fequently use the 7a/3a sounds, unlike us. Although formal or classical Assyrian speech may use 3a. Chaldean Neo-Aramaic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaldean_Neo-Aramaic), which is a dialect of Assyrian, also uses 3a/7a sounds, btw.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rumata View Post
    It sounds like German.
    When it comes to European languages, I would say Dutch and Irish/Scottish Gaelic more.

    Pashto does sound Assyrian if you're hearing it echoing from the next room. Even I was like "are they speaking Assyrian?". It's amazing, because it's a completely unrelated language (Indo Iranian - Indo European). I'm guessing they just have similar pronunciations and "melody" to our language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelati View Post
    Yep. He's speaking in Turoyo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turoyo), which is a western Assyrian language that's mostly unintelligible to us. We speak Assyrian Neo-Aramaic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_Neo-Aramaic). They do fequently use the 7a/3a sounds, unlike us. Although formal or classical Assyrian speech may use 3a. Chaldean Neo-Aramaic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaldean_Neo-Aramaic), which is a dialect of Assyrian, also uses 3a/7a sounds, btw.


    When it comes to European languages, I would say Dutch and Irish/Scottish Gaelic more.

    Pashto does sound Assyrian if you're hearing it echoing from the next room. Even I was like "are they speaking Assyrian?". It's amazing, because it's a completely unrelated language (Indo Iranian - Indo European). I'm guessing they just have similar pronunciations and "melody" to our language.
    Dayum, I never knew that it was that different. I think it's unintelligible as those Arabic speakers from Egypt and the Middle east couldn't understand the Maghareb(Libyans, Moroccans, Tunisians and Algerians) peoples speak Arabic regardless on the fact that Maghrebi Arabic is considered to be "dialects" of the Arabic language. I wonder if that's simply because that western Aramaic had preserved many of it's ancient Semitic sounds that were lost in many modern Semitic languages like Hebrew and so on?

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    Hebrew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McCree900 View Post
    Dayum, I never knew that it was that different. I think it's unintelligible as those Arabic speakers from Egypt and the Middle east couldn't understand the Maghareb(Libyans, Moroccans, Tunisians and Algerians) peoples speak Arabic regardless on the fact that Maghrebi Arabic is considered to be "dialects" of the Arabic language. I wonder if that's simply because that western Aramaic had preserved many of it's ancient Semitic sounds that were lost in many modern Semitic languages like Hebrew and so on?
    To Assyrian Neo-Aramaic, Chaldean is mostly intelligible and even some of those Jewish Aramaic dialects (say they're around 55% intelligible). Western Assyrian or Turoyo is only like 25% intelligible. I'm not sure, but I think they are as unintelligible to us as Maghreb Arabic is to Middle Easterners? Don't know.

    Western Assyrian does indeed have more classical Syriac words and less Iranian loanwaords, although we have more Akkadian words. They also use a lot of "o" sounds. Many words end in "o" in Turoyo, whilst ours end in "a" (oromoyo/aramaya, oroboyo/arabaya, suroyo/suraya). They also turn every P sound to F (shapira/shafiro - this means "beautiful"). We do have a similar vocabulary. But within the context of speech, Western Assyrian sounds muddled and incomprehensible. In short, it's more intelligible if you read it than hear it.

    Western Aramaic is a completely different language unrelated to Assyrian, btw (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Neo-Aramaic). It's a critically endangered language spoken in Lebanon and Syria. It is not to be confused with Western Assyrian (Turoyo/Suroyo), which is an eastern Aramaic language (like ours), but just spoken in the western periphery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelati View Post
    To Assyrian Neo-Aramaic, Chaldean is mostly intelligible and even some of those Jewish Aramaic dialects (say they're around 55% intelligible). Western Assyrian or Turoyo is only like 25% intelligible. I'm not sure, but I think they are as unintelligible to us as Maghreb Arabic is to Middle Easterners? Don't know. Western Assyrian does indeed have more classical Syriac words and less Iranian loanwaords, although we have more Akkadian words.

    Western Aramaic is a completely different language btw unrelated to Assyrian btw (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Neo-Aramaic). It's a critically endangered language spoken in Lebanon and Syria. It is not to be confused with Western Assyrian (Turoyo/Suroyo).
    Like, I don't understand when the Maghreb people speak to me Arabic in their native dialects. I think the Maghrebi Arabic has heavy Berber influence or something. Yeah, my half paternal uncle, who is half Palestinian half Syrian from the village of Ma3loula, told me that he couldn't understand anything from Assyrians or "Ashuriyeen" or "the people of Ashur" in Arabic when they speak to him Aramaic in their native dialects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelati View Post
    It sounds a lot like Hebrew to me, which is a sister language to it anyway, so I guess that makes sense (speech starts at 12 seconds).

    my first impression is that it reminds me a bit of Arabic, it has some similiar harshness sounds in it as Arabic .

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    It's amazing how the Assyrians managed to keep their ethnic identity intact and continue identifying as ethnic Assyrian (as opposed to ethnic Aramean) despite having their Akkadian language replaced with Aramaic. The only other instance I know of where a similar thing occurred is among the East Frisians of northwest Lower Saxony (Germany) who speak Saxon but identify as ethnic Frisian rather than ethnic Saxon. It would have been cool if a Babylonian identity still remained in South Iraq or if some Arabized peoples kept their ancient identities after losing their language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post

    All words where "ch" is pronounced like a "k" are Greek loanwords where the "ch" was used to represent the Greek /x/ sound e.g. Christian, chemistry, etc. The reason that "ch" was used to represent /x/ is because the "c" used to only make the /k/ sound (rather than the /k/ and /s/ like it does today) and the letter "k" didn't exist back then.
    also because the greek letter χ was pronounced like /kʰ/ in classical times when it was borrowed into latin and transcribed as "ch". where as later in greek the letter χ has changed to the /x/ sound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    It's amazing how the Assyrians managed to keep their ethnic identity intact and continue identifying as ethnic Assyrian (as opposed to ethnic Aramean) despite having their Akkadian language replaced with Aramaic. The only other instance I know of where a similar thing occurred is among the East Frisians of northwest Lower Saxony (Germany) who speak Saxon but identify as ethnic Frisian rather than ethnic Saxon. It would have been cool if a Babylonian identity still remained in South Iraq or if some Arabized peoples kept their ancient identities after losing their language.
    i think it's a shame that some of the worlds oldest cultures like the babylonians or egyptians are lost because they were arabized

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