Geographic mistakes: Xinjiang , Tibet is not East Asia and was never part of China

[ButlerKing]

Kazakhs there are descended from Kazakh refugees that were given refuge in China. The Koreans of Yanbian are also refugee descendents. The Xibe people in Xinjiang are also not native but came from Manchuria recently. Northern Xinjiang (excluding the Turpan Depression) was originally Oirat/Dzungar like I said.

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So the real Uyghur territory is Southern Xinjiang ?

[Mingle]

So the real Uyghur territory is Southern Xinjiang ?

Yes. It was historically known in their language as 'Altishahr'. Northern Xinjiang was Oirat majority before the Qing Dynasty committed genocide on them. But Oirats are also culturally Central Asian. The people of Kalmykia are Oirats that are descended from people that fled the genocide. Kalmyk is just the Kazakh word for "Oirat". In the 17th century, some Oirats (Torghuts, Dörbets) started a back migration from Kalmykia to Dzungaria and their descendants still live there.

By the way, the real Uyghurs that are descended from the people that founded the Uyghur Khanate are the Buddhist Yugurs of Gansu. The modern "Uyghurs" are Karluk people that were given the name "Uyghur" by the Russians in the early 20th century. Before that, they just identified as generic 'Turki'.

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[lameduck]

ruler of hunza(wali Hunza) used to claim lot of xinjiang territory but china gave big stick to pakistan in 1960s and we had to give one side of k2 to china lol

[Yaglakar]

This map is wrong. That northern edge of India is China aka Aksai Chin.

[ButlerKing]

This map is wrong. That northern edge of India is China aka Aksai Chin.

Aksai Chin was never part of China so you're wrong yourself.

[Yaglakar]

Yes. It was historically known in their language as 'Altishahr'. Northern Xinjiang was Oirat majority before the Qing Dynasty committed genocide on them. But Oirats are also culturally Central Asian. The people of Kalmykia are Oirats that are descended from people that fled the genocide. Kalmyk is just the Kazakh word for "Oirat". In the 17th century, some Oirats (Torghuts, Dörbets) started a back migration from Kalmykia to Dzungaria and their descendants still live there.

By the way, the real Uyghurs that are descended from the people that founded the Uyghur Khanate are the Buddhist Yugurs of Gansu. The modern "Uyghurs" are Karluk people that were given the name "Uyghur" by the Russians in the early 20th century. Before that, they just identified as generic 'Turki'.

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1. After the fall of Uyghur Khaganate, Uyghurs migrated to their border territories aka Northern Xinjiang and Gansu. By the year 900 several kingdoms got united under one banner - Qocho Uyghurs (Idiqut State). These Uyghurs intermixed with local Tocharians. Yugurs were located to the east of Northern Xinjiang aka Gansu province



2. These divisions such as "Karluk" are nominal and coined to simply a complex picture. The state of Karakhanids (which encompassed southern Xinjiang) was also related to old Uyghurs through ruling Yaghma clan of the Uyghur Toquz Oguz.
3. Türki language of Karakahnids was closely related to old Uyghur of Northern Xinjiang and both sprang out directly from Old Turkic.
4. The term 'Uyghur' perished after full islamization of Xinjiang around 17th century, because 'Uyghurs' have long been associated with disbelievers - Manicheans, Buddhists and Nestorian Christians.
5. Oirats (Mongols) appeared in Northern Xinjiang in 17th century, in 18th century they were ethnically cleansed by Qing dynasty and their allies at the time - Manchurians and Northern Uyghurs. Uyghurs, Kazakhs and Han Chinese migrated to these depopulated areas.
6. Northern Xinjiang has always been linked culturally with Chinese dynasties, the wealth of kingdoms that were located there depended on trade with China.

[ButlerKing]

1. After the fall of Uyghur Khaganate, Uyghurs migrated to their border territories aka Northern Xinjiang and Gansu. By the year 900 several kingdoms got united under one banner - Qocho Uyghurs (Idiqut State). These Uyghurs intermixed with local Tocharians. Yugurs were located to the east of Northern Xinjiang aka Gansu province



2. These divisions such as "Karluk" are nominal and coined to simply a complex picture. The state of Karakhanids (which encompassed southern Xinjiang) was also related to old Uyghurs through ruling Yaghma clan of the Uyghur Toquz Oguz.
3. Türki language of Karakahnids was closely related to old Uyghur of Northern Xinjiang and both sprang out directly from Old Turkic.
4. The term 'Uyghur' perished after full islamization of Xinjiang around 17th century, because 'Uyghurs' have long been associated with disbelievers - Manicheans, Buddhists and Nestorian Christians.
5. Oirats (Mongols) appeared in Northern Xinjiang in 17th century, in 18th century they were ethnically cleansed by Qing dynasty and their allies at the time - Manchurians and Northern Uyghurs. Uyghurs, Kazakhs and Han Chinese migrated to these depopulated areas.
6. Northern Xinjiang has always been linked culturally with Chinese dynasties, the wealth of kingdoms that were located there depended on trade with China.

I see you're not a Uyghur because no Uyghur wants to be associated with China.


Are you telling me is geographically correct to include Xinjiang as part of East Asia and part of China ?

[Yaglakar]

I see you're not a Uyghur because no Uyghur wants to be associated with China.


Are you telling me is geographically correct to include Xinjiang as part of East Asia and part of China ?

I'm a realist not a romantic nationalist.

[ButlerKing]

I'm a realist not a romantic nationalist.

What's you real ethnicity ? I know your not a Uyghur from Kazakhstan because every Uyghur I know from Youtube are against China.