Why do Hungarians love Attila so much?

[Yaglakar]

Mostly based on national mythology or something. I mean, the ancient Magyars entered Europe from Siberia and etc much later when the Hunnic empire was no more. We don't know exactly the linguistic or ethnic affiliation of the Hunnic peoples since they never wrote down anything, and that the Huns were a confederacy of many tribes and peoples which it wouldn't be surprising to find some Hunnish people who are Germanic or Slavic. Today's Hungarians barely have any Siberian admixture in them, and we already have hard evidence on the fact that the ancient Magyars were a mixture between Caucasoid and Mongoloid races. Hungarians today cluster very closely with other central Europeans regardless of their linguistic affiliations.

“The European Huns were equally heterogenous as the Xiongnu of Mongolia. Their core language was very likely to have been Oghuric Turkic given the names of their kings and princes, which for the most part Oghuric Turkic in origin as the list below shows:
1.Mundzuk (Attila the Hun’s father, from Turkic Munčuk = pearl/jewel)
2.Oktar/Uptar (Attila’s uncle, Öktär = brave/powerful)
3.Oebarsius (another of Attila’s paternal uncles, Aibars = leopard of the moon)
4.Karaton (Hunnic supreme king before Ruga, Qaraton = black-cloak)
5.Basik (Hunnic noble of royal blood early fight century, Barsiğ = governor)
6.Kursik (Hunnic noble of royal blood, from either Kürsiğ, meaning brave or noble, or Quršiğ meaning belt-bearer)
Furthermore, all three of Atilla’s known sons have probable Turkic names: Ellac, Dengizich, Ernakh/Hernak, and Attila’s principal wife, the mother of the first son Ellac, has the Turkic name Herekan, as does another wife named Eskam. The heavy concentration of Turkic peoples in the areas from which the Huns derived before their major expansion into Europe and Central Asia is likely to have led to the consolidation of a Turkic language as the dominant language among European Huns.” Hyun Jin Kim. 2015. The Huns. Routledge. p. 7-8

“We have already noted earlier the Gothic practice of Germanizing or Gothifying Hunnic royal names by adding Germanic suffixes. Thus the Germanic suffix -ila was added to names like Atilla and Rugila (Ruga), and Dengizich becomes Dintzirich by adding the Germanic suffix -reik (king). In addition even the names themselves were on occasions substituted by similar sounding Gothic names. By way of example the name of Attila’s father Mundzuk/Munčuk (pearl/jewel (turkic)) was turned into Mundiuks with the dz sound altered to make the name sound more Gothic, like the mund element in Gothic names such as Munderich. Attila’s own name was altered from Turkic As-til-a (great river/sea) to a more Gothic sounding atta-ila (little father) in the same way.” Hyun Jin Kim. 2015. The Huns. Routledge. p. 119

“With the possible exception of Laudaricus and Ragnaris, these names were not the true names of the Hun princes and lords. What we have are Hunnic names in Germanic dress, modified to fit the Gothic tongue, or popular Gothic etymologies, or both.” Otto J. Maenchen-Helfen. 1973. The World of the Huns: Studies in Their History and Culture. University of California Press. p. 389

“Laudareiks was a Hun just like Attila, despite his Germanic name or more probably the Germanized version of his originally Hunnic name. The Gothic practice of Germanicizing Hunnic names is well known. For instance the Gothic suffix -ila was added to the name of the Hunnic king Roas/Ruga (which became Roila/Rugila). The Turkic names of virtually all the princes who rule Hunnic fiefs in the east such as attila’s sons Ellac, Ernakh/Irnik and Dengizich, Attila’s kinsmen who reside in the Danubian region after Attila: Emnetzur and Ultzindur (who hold Oescus, Utum and Almus on the right bank of the Danube), also of Attila’s uncle and father Octar and Mundzuk and Hunnic royal family members Kursich and Basich, are proof that the original names of the Hunnic princes were Turkic, right up to the time of Atilla’s death and beyond, not Germanic. The Germanicization of Hunnic (Oghuric Turkic) names may have been a conscious policy among Hunnic elite in the west to ease the transition to their rule of formerly independent Germanic tribal unions.” Hyun Jin Kim. 2015. The Huns. Routledge. p. 111

Jordanes’ description of Atilla: “Short of stature, with a broad chest and a large head; his eyes were small, his beard thin and sprinkled with grey; and he had a flat nose and tanned skin, showing evidence of his origin”

Jordanes’ description of Huns: “They made their foes flee in horror because their swarthy aspect was fearful, and they had, if I may call it so, a sort of shapeless lump, not a head, with pin-holes rather than eyes…”

Huns paved the way for Magyars who adopted much of Hunnic Steppe culture. Appearance and origin never mattered for steppe nomads, whether they were Iranic Scythians or proto-Turks, they all intermixed heavily along the way.

[Marmara]

Magyars adopted the nomadic steppe culture either during Hunnic expansion, or Turkic expansion and more precisely during Khazar rule. It's almost certain it passed from Turks and not Iranics because they borrowed Turkic loanwords (not Turkish, unrelated to Ottomans). More likely during Hunnic expansion, i don't think they could adapt steppe nomadism from Khazars this quickly.

[Kamal900]

This is not true, old Chinese sources always tell about the language and ''writings of Hu'' and how Huns scraped the runes on wooden pieces. The runic characters found in Noin-Ula kurgan in northern Mongolia are the same with that of Orkhun-Yenisei inscriptions, so evidently it is the origin of Turkic runic alphabet.



They were confederacy of Turkic tribes (some partially mixed with chinese and mongolian) and no doubt european Huns lead by Atilla contributed to the gene pool of Hungarians

Writing scripts and languages are two different things. Persians use the Perso-Arabic script for their language. Does it mean that Persian is an Arabic language? We know that the Huns came mostly from today's Mongolia, and the region was inhabited by many different linguistic groups like Turkic, Mongolic and even some PIE groups in western Mongolia. It doesn't mean that they're necessarily derived from one another regardless of their culture similarities. Huns had assimilated many tribes and groups of peoples under their ranks, so it's pretty difficult to pin point the linguistic affiliation of the Hunnic language since they didn't write anything down. We can say that they had Turkic peoples, but it's not conclusive enough to make a conclusion regarding their ethnic affiliation yet.

[Marmara]

Writing scripts and languages are two different things. Persians use the Perso-Arabic script for their language. Does it mean that Persian is an Arabic language? We know that the Huns came mostly from today's Mongolia, and the region was inhabited by many different linguistic groups like Turkic, Mongolic and even some PIE groups in western Mongolia. It doesn't mean that they're necessarily derived from one another regardless of their culture similarities. Huns had assimilated many tribes and groups of peoples under their ranks, so it's pretty difficult to pin point the linguistic affiliation of the Hunnic language since they didn't write anything down. We can say that they had Turkic peoples, but it's not conclusive enough to make a conclusion regarding their ethnic affiliation yet.

Huns were a confederation for sure, steppe nomads always created confederations with different ethnicities, ethnic Mongolians were the minority in Mongolian army. The Hunnic army was most likely multi-ethnic, but the creators of the confederation and the elites were Turkic.

[TheForeigner]

Were the Proto-Turks pure Mongoloids or what race were they?

[Marmara]

Were the Proto-Turks pure Mongoloids or what race were they?

Mongoloid but not chinese looking, they got their own unique look most likely, like Caucasians have different looks.

[TheForeigner]

And what about the race of the Gokturks, who created the first known Turkic empire, other than possibly the Huns?

[Marmara]

And what about the race of the Gokturks, who created the first known Turkic empire, other than possibly the Huns?

Xiongnu were mainly Mongoloid with 20% Caucasoid, during Göktürk era Turks were already diversified a lot, had very Caucasoid turks by appearance (Yenisei Kyrygz)

[TheForeigner]

Xiongnu were mainly Mongoloid with 20% Caucasoid, during Göktürk era Turks were already diversified a lot, had very Caucasoid turks by appearance (Yenisei Kyrygz)

Aren't Kyrgyz Mongoloid with some Caucasoid admixture?

[Marmara]

Aren't Kyrgyz Mongoloid with some Caucasoid admixture?

You're talking about modern Krygyz, they are half Mongoloid half Caucasoid. I'm talking about Yenisei Krygyz.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yenisei_Kyrgyz