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    Quote Originally Posted by Morlak View Post
    You Croats always talk like we wanted to invade Zagreb or something, we "invaded" areas with Serbian majority or significant minority, who had every right to be under Serbian rule.
    What basis ? Krajina was never part of Serbia in history. Serbs moved there during Ottoman occupation. You can't demand foreign lands, just because Serbs happen to live there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morlak View Post
    You Croats always talk like we wanted to invade Zagreb or something, we "invaded" areas with Serbian majority or significant minority, who had every right to be under Serbian rule.
    We really did want to invade Zagreb and other areas of Croatia with no ethnic Serbs. Our military just had their asses kicked and we could never realize this plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    What basis ? Krajina was never part of Serbia in history. Serbs moved there during Ottoman occupation. You can't demand foreign lands, just because Serbs happen to live there.
    Yeah we did came there in 16th century(not counting southern Dalmatia), however since then we have been important factor of the region. Look at the numbers of Serbian Hajduks and Uskoks who fought to defend this land from ottomans, and Krajina wasnt part of "Croatia"( since you were just Croatia in the name) since 1533 till 1881. That clearly gives us some historical right but main thing is the right we won through war. Basically since 19th century our goals was that all Serbs live in one nation, and finally after many bloody wars for freedom of Serbs, we had a choice in 1918, either that we take land that was promised to us in London agreement(basically Greater Serbia) or union with our "beloved brothers" Slovenes and Croats. We sadly chose the latter, but goal was still achieved we manage to unite Serbs in one state and we also freed you from Austrian "occupation". Fact is if we choose greater Serbia, Croatia today maybe even wouldn't be independent and would definitely be limited to the Zagorje and local area. Wherer you accept it or not Yugoslavia benefited you the more than us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morlak View Post
    Yeah we did came there in 16th century(not counting southern Dalmatia), however since then we have been important factor of the region. Look at the numbers of Serbian Hajduks and Uskoks who fought to defend this land from ottomans, and Krajina wasnt part of "Croatia"( since you were just Croatia in the name) since 1533 till 1881. That clearly gives us some historical right but main thing is the right we won through war. Basically since 19th century our goals was that all Serbs live in one nation, and finally after many bloody wars for freedom of Serbs, we had a choice in 1918, either that we take land that was promised to us in London agreement(basically Greater Serbia) or union with our "beloved brothers" Slovenes and Croats. We sadly chose the latter, but goal was still achieved we manage to unite Serbs in one state and we also freed you from Austrian "occupation". Fact is if we choose greater Serbia, Croatia today maybe even wouldn't be independent and would definitely be limited to the Zagorje and local area. Wherer you accept it or not Yugoslavia benefited you the more than us.
    Nice alternate history. If you chosed Greater Serbia, you state would be 40% non Serb and absolutely internally fragile, instable. It certanly wouldn't last long
    Your greed cost you a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragan Ciganovic View Post
    We really did want to invade Zagreb and other areas of Croatia with no ethnic Serbs. Our military just had their asses kicked and we could never realize this plan.
    yes yes we also wanted to eat croatian children and fuck their dogs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    Nice alternate history. If you chosed Greater Serbia, you state would be 40% non Serb and absolutley internally fragile, instable. It certanly wouldn't last long
    Your greed cost you a lot.
    Not really, Bosniaks didnt have any national identity and among them existed a big population who considered them self as muslim Serbs, Meša Selimović and Osman Đikić for example. Also in Dubrovnik at time many of the population was pro-Serb, there was Serbian catholic movement in the city and a lot of relevant people from Dubrovnik were in it. Macedonians were considered as Serbs and many felt like it especially in north regions. We can not know what would have happened, but i'd say in the end it would be better for us than Yugoslavia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    Nobody expects apology from war time Chetnik. No idea why our chicken invited him to Zagreb, probably EU ordered it.

    He should have never come.
    You don't deserve to be in EU with such thinking. Kolinda did normal thing that is expected from any normal country.
    Tadic did apologize, isn't he? But question is when you're going to apologize for Serbia's victims? Both sides had victims.

    I am apolitical, I don't care about Vucic, Tadic, Milosevic, Kolinda etc. I'm sick of war themes, and very
    disappointed that there (Serbia, Croatia) are still so much closed mind people.

    I heard that Vucic listed some things that Serbia did for Croatian minority here in Serbia (Vojvodina) lately.
    When you're going to do something for Serbs in Croatia? I'm not
    sure there are any at all. Isn't that what is done here enough apology, better then empty words?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moje ime View Post
    You don't deserve to be in EU with such thinking. Kolinda did normal thing that is expected from any normal country.
    Tadic did apologize, isn't he? But question is when you're going to apologize for Serbia's victims? Both sides had victims.

    I am apolitical, I don't care about Vucic, Tadic, Milosevic, Kolinda etc. I'm sick of war themes, and very
    disappointed that there (Serbia, Croatia) are still so much closed mind people.

    I heard that Vucic listed some things that Serbia did for Croatian minority here in Serbia (Vojvodina) lately.
    When you're going to do something for Serbs in Croatia? I'm not
    sure there are any at all. Isn't that what is done here enough apology, better then empty words?
    Serbs in Croatia have guarenteed places in parliament, while Croats in Serbia don't, you could give them the same benefits for a start.
    We simply don't want Vučić in Croatia, she invited him without consulting with government. Somebody else would be more acceptable, but not him, not Dačić, Vulin and such clique.

    Did they archeieve much in these two days ? I am not so sure...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morlak View Post
    Not really, Bosniaks didnt have any national identity and among them existed a big population who considered them self as muslim Serbs, Meša Selimović and Osman Đikić for example. Also in Dubrovnik at time many of the population was pro-Serb, there was Serbian catholic movement in the city and a lot of relevant people from Dubrovnik were in it. Macedonians were considered as Serbs and many felt like it especially in north regions. We can not know what would have happened, but i'd say in the end it would be better for us than Yugoslavia.
    That's in realm of speculation. Hungarians, Albanians and good part of Croats wouldn't be very co-operative. Don't forget King Alexander was shot by VMRO man, so Macedonians weren't so thrilled with Serbs as it seems.
    Yugoslavia had many enemies, enlarged Serbia woouldn't lack them either.

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    @Stearsolina Vucic is bigger "Evropejac" today then Tadic was. They are just figures, all the same. Creators are outside.

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