#MeToo - Changing the face of dating forever

[Kazimiera]

I've been thinking about the whole Harvey Weinstein debacle and the #MeToo movement which came afterwards.

Harvey and all those guilty deserve what is coming their way, but it has some serious long-term implications.

Traditionally, the man is the one who pursues the woman. In a nutshell, he is the one taking all the risk. At the end of the day it is the woman who accepts or rejects him, but the pursuit is his.

Bring the #MeToo movement into it. Men will be too damned scared to do anything with a woman, in fear that it may be misconstrued. When something like asking her out on a date can be twisted into sexual harassment or even attempted rape, the man becomes powerless. In the end he'd rather do NOTHING than end up unfairly on the list of Harvey Weinstein and all the #MeToos.

On the other side, all the women will wonder why guys are no longer into them and bemoan the fact that nobody is pursuing them, when the reality is that the guy is too shit scared to make any move at all.

The face of male-female interpersonal relationships is changing and, sadly, it isn't temporarily.

The world is going to hell in a hand basket.

[Peterski]

The world is going to hell in a hand basket.

Not the whole world but only countries where this movement exists.

What we are seeing is the decline of Asabiyyah (= social cohesion & solidarity) in the Western World:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asabiyyah

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muqaddimah#Sociology

Asabiyyah (as described in Muqaddimah) is similar to C & V factors from the "Biohistory" theory:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...re-coevolution

We're living in transitional times when Anglos are losing their status as the dominant civilization. A list of dominant Eurasian (and Eurasian offshoot) civilizations according to A. Van Sloan & James Sheehan:

Time of domination (number of years) - civilization:

4300-2700 BC (1600) - Sumerians
2700-1075 BC (1625) - Egyptians
1075-745 BC (330) - Phoenicians
745-612 BC (133) - Assyrians
612-539 BC (73) - Babylonians
539-478 BC (61) - Persians
478-323 BC (155) - Greeks
323-197 BC (126) - Hellenistic
197 BC - 378 AD (575) - Romans
378-467 AD (89) - Gupta India
467-589 AD (122) - Byzantines
589-756 AD (167) - Tang China
756-976 AD (220) - Muslims
976-1071 AD (95) - Byzantines
1071-1294 AD (223) - Song China and Mongol China
1294-1527 AD (233) - Renaissance Italy
1527-1588 AD (61) - Spain
1588-1609 AD (21) - England
1609-1672 AD (63) - Netherlands
1672-1814 AD (142) - France
1814-1830 AD (16) - Austria
1830-1918 AD (88) - Great Britain
1918-2018 AD (100+) - the USA

^^^
The last two centuries have been times of the domination of Anglos (England + its offshoots). Now the Anglo world is in decline, its domination has lasted for a pretty long time anyway.

[Kazimiera]

The USA is on the verge of collapse and has nobody else to blame than itself.

I never realised the reign of the Persians and Babylonians was so short.

[Kazimiera]

Apricity must be the only place where, in a space of two posts, the topic changes from #MeToo's effect on long-term dating to the lifespan of ancient civilisations.

What makes it even better is that nobody is shocked or confused about it because, well... this IS Apricity after all.

[Queen B]

I've been thinking about the whole Harvey Weinstein debacle and the #MeToo movement which came afterwards.

Harvey and all those guilty deserve what is coming their way, but it has some serious long-term implications.

Traditionally, the man is the one who pursues the woman. In a nutshell, he is the one taking all the risk. At the end of the day it is the woman who accepts or rejects him, but the pursuit is his.

Bring the #MeToo movement into it. Men will be too damned scared to do anything with a woman, in fear that it may be misconstrued. When something like asking her out on a date can be twisted into sexual harassment or even attempted rape, the man becomes powerless. In the end he'd rather do NOTHING than end up unfairly on the list of Harvey Weinstein and all the #MeToos.

On the other side, all the women will wonder why guys are no longer into them and bemoan the fact that nobody is pursuing them, when the reality is that the guy is too shit scared to make any move at all.

The face of male-female interpersonal relationships is changing and, sadly, it isn't temporarily.

The world is going to hell in a hand basket.

I'm finding hard (unless you are in USA), to confuse sexual harassment with flirting.

Asking out, talking to her to a bar, asking for a phone isn't harassement.
Using your power for sexual favors, touching innaproprietly when someone doesn't want it , trying to have her way with her with no consent, well this is .

Any man ''scared'' of persuing a woman due to #metoo, is probably a man that has already gone too far in the past, by recognizing some of his actions, to the actions of those now-famous predators.

[Kazimiera]

I'm finding hard (unless you are in USA), to confuse sexual harassment with flirting.

Asking out, talking to her to a bar, asking for a phone isn't harassement.
Using your power for sexual favors, touching innaproprietly when someone doesn't want it , trying to have her way with her with no consent, well this is .

Any man ''scared'' of persuing a woman due to #metoo, is probably a man that has already gone too far in the past, by recognizing some of his actions, to the actions of those now-famous predators.

My context is America specifically. It is a world unto itself. Normal human behaviour will hopefully carry on as it always has in other places, but the US is in trouble.

[Senpai]

I haven't approached a woman in public that I found attractive in 3 years. As a white male in America, you're demonized. If you complain about it, its "Awwww, poor cis white male.. poor you" sarcastically. Every time I want to talk with a woman I subconsciously stop myself by saying she won't feel comfortable by it.

[Queen B]

My context is America specifically. It is a world unto itself. Normal human behaviour will hopefully carry on as it always has in other places, but the US is in trouble.

America has serious problems.

In America is a crime if you misgender someone but not to intentionally spread HIV. It's the country where illegal immigrants are more entitled than legal immigrants, so, what do you expect?

[Peterski]

I'm finding hard (unless you are in USA)

Well, the #MeToo movement exists only in North America.

I haven't heard about it existing in Europe? And apparently 1/4 of Americans think that asking a woman out for a drink is sexual harassment, compared to ~0% of Europeans:

https://www.economist.com/blogs/grap...n/tw/te/bl/ed/

[sun_circle]

I too think we are due a good, proper civilisational collapse.