Why FYROM can't be Macedonia

[catgeorge]

All that Makedonija drama is a meme at this point. Child drama, "you can't use that name because I say it is mine".

Its fair for you to say that as it was Jews that partially created this mess with Turks.

[MegaArgus1]

This map is fake , its not macedonia.

You are partly right, Macedonia was much larger

[MegaArgus1]

Greece is not even on any map. Do you know why? Because nobody can put something on the map which never existed only for the convenience of neoclassicism of the modern times Greeks to boost their uniqueness. Unless you consider Achaia as Greece, but if so that the issue is the name of Greece not the name of Macedonia.

[Crn Volk]

Fyrom citizens are brainwashed Bulgarians wannabes Macedonias

Grkomanche, didn’t take long for you to show your colours. If we are brainwashed Bulgarians, well guess what look in the mirror wannabe Greek.

[wvwvw]

You are partly right, Macedonia was much larger

It was not. Byzantine Macedonia did not include Fyrom. When the Slavs came to the Balkans the borders of Byzantine Macedonia were those of the current Greek provinces of Macedonia and Thrace. The area to the north where FYROM is today was called Bulgaria and after that Serbia. It was NEVER called Macedonia at any time in the history of its Slavic occupation.

[wvwvw]

Greece is not even on any map. Do you know why? Because nobody can put something on the map which never existed only for the convenience of neoclassicism of the modern times Greeks to boost their uniqueness. Unless you consider Achaia as Greece, but if so that the issue is the name of Greece not the name of Macedonia.

Lol do you see ”Italy” on any map?

The creation of two different provinces in Greece, that of Achaea and Macedonia occured at different times as they were conquered at different times.

But the most important aspect of the Macedonian and Achean provinces was their similarities. They were the ***only provinces*** in the Roman Empire to be organized as leagues of Greek cities.

The Leagues formed a council and elected representatives. This did not happen in any other province.

If you doubt what I am saying, read Mommsen's "the Provinces of the Roman Empire - The European provinces". Macedonia and Achaea are covered in the chapter "Greek Europe".

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...e_Roman_Empire


Also the borders of the Roman Macedonia were very different to that of Classical and Byzantine Macedonia.
The Romans were not in the habit of creating provinces along ethnic lines. At one point Roman Macedonia included the whole of Greece, Crete too. That should clue you in that the namings and borders of Roman provinces are irrelevant to almost everything!

The Roman province Macedonia had little to do with either ancient (ethno-political) or modern (geographical) Macedonia, and Greeks were the only ones that called themselves Macedonians in Roman Macedonia, which was a tautology for Greek.

[Mingle]

I kinda feel sorry for Vardar Macedonians. 90% of the time they are on the internet arguing about their name/identity and the other 10% on whether the northwestern part of their country should get annexed by Albania. Most countries' forums are full of thread about a diverse range of topics, but not for these guys.

[wvwvw]

All that Makedonija drama is a meme at this point. Child drama, "you can't use that name because I say it is mine".

No rather it’s ”you aren’t allow to falsify the Hellenic history of Macedonia”

Nobody prevent Skopjans to identify with any ancient people they like but they can’t falsify the history of that people, and at the same time claim exclusivity of their history and the name of Macedonians at the expense of Greeks. They can’t use the name for international use and at the same time baptise their language ”Macedonian”, declare Macedonians had ”nothing to do with Greeks” and distribute maps of Fyrom with territorial claims against Greece.

[wvwvw]

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[wvwvw]

Grkomanche, didn’t take long for you to show your colours. If we are brainwashed Bulgarians, well guess what look in the mirror wannabe Greek.

If you weren’t you wouldn’t identify in every freaking census before Tito as Bulgarians, nor would your national heros be Bulgarians like Tsar Samuel.

In a letter to Prof. Marin Drinov of May 25, 1888 Kuzman Shapkarev writes:

"But even stranger is the name Macedonians, which was imposed on us only 10
to 15 years ago by outsiders, and not as something by our own
intellectuals... Yet the people in Macedonia know nothing of that ancient
name, reintroduced today with a cunning aim on the one hand and a stupid one
on the other. They know the older word: "Bugari", although mispronounced:
they have even adopted it as peculiarly theirs, inapplicable to other
Bulgarians. You can find more about this in the introduction to the booklets
I am sending you. They call their own Macedono-Bulgarian dialect the
"Bugarski language", while the rest of the Bulgarian dialects they refer to
as the "Shopski language". (Makedonski pregled, IX, 2, 1934, p. 55; the
original letter is kept in the Marin Drinov Museum in Sofia, and it is
available for examination and study)