USA is the true winner in ww2.

[Acquisit0r]

Lets speculate.

My opinion is this: there were 3 major powers which ended up beating the nazi Germany. But only one of them has the ultimate victory.

1) United Kingdom. They prevented an invasion and managed to successfully defend the country. Their casualties were on the low side. Yet they didnt really gain anything from the victory, the British empire continued to deteriorate. The victory did boost the morals somewhat yet the number of deaths and the collatoral damage was quite significant. Overall = meh..

2) USSR = contributed the most to defeating the Wehrmacht, occupied nearly the entire Eastern Europe. Abducted many German scientists to work in USSR. Lots of the German infrastructure was also cuptured.

But at what price? 27 million Soviet citizens were killed in the war. Many millions more became disabled due to injuries. The best part of the country = the West was mostly reduced to rubble.

The country suffered a VERY severe psychological trauma which in time had evolved into a post traumatic stress syndrome and paranoia. The country is still recovering from the war. I mean psychologically. A part of Putins propaganda feeds the paranoia which comes down to "the west will do it again, but I mr Putin know how to deal with the West".

Overall: while USSR won on the battlefield, it lost in many other aspects. Occupying Eastern Europe for 45 years was also a losing investment for USSR but also quite traumatic for Eastern Europe which also still suffers from it to this day

3) USA = the real winner. Roosevelt was a genius pragmatic guy who deserves A+ for all he did to fight Nazi Germany. And heres why:

A) having Hitler take over Europe wouldnt be a good thing for the US. Naturally. So instead of sending American boys to die the US preferred to send equipment, even to USSR. Lots of equipment. Fighting a war without risking your countrymen is smart.

B) only when the outcome was obvious did Roosevelt finally send the boys. Naturally he couldn't allow Stalin to "liberate" the entire Europe. American casualties were on the low side as the result.

C) by liberating and later by financing Western Europe the US created a huge market for its products which is still producing insane profits. Europe has also become the American bitch or shield against the islamic world and USSR and now Russia.

Overall the US gained a lot from the war. And lost nearly nothing. Such a profitable adventure can only be the result of smart, pragmatic, intelligent politics.

A+ for the US and personally for Roosevelt

[Bobby Martnen]

Soviets stole a crapton of Polish and German land after the war, so they were the biggest victors.

[Acquisit0r]

Soviets stole a crapton of Polish and German land after the war, so they were the biggest victors.

You really arent able to see the BIG picture it seems. Its fine I guess.

[Bobby Martnen]

You really arent able to see the BIG picture it seems. Its fine I guess.

yOu reAllY areN't abLe tO sEe tHe bIG piCtuRE iT seeMS. it'S fIne I gUeSs.

[Profileid]

You're correct mostly. However I don't think it's fair to say nearly nothing. Many Americans died.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

The US could have sat back and allowed the Nazis and Soviets to beat on each other into exhaustion. The war with Japan could have been avoided. Japanese generals pushed for war against the Soviets. The Japanese admirals pushed for war with the US. The former understood they couldn't win a war against the US because of the resources/industry the US had and size of the population but the Soviets would have been an easier match up with their transportation difficulties (that harmed them in their previous war against Japan) and with the Nazis hammering at them in the west. The admirals were more interested in promoting their own interests than taking the path that made the most sense. A war with the Soviets would have had the Japanese navy playing second fiddle to the army, while war with the US allowed the navy more control.

Even if the Axis powers defeated the Soviets the Nazi state would have eventually collapsed. You can't control foreign territory for the long run unless you have a significant portion of the people on your side. Unlike in France the Nazis were real dicks in Eastern Europe. There were plenty of people in the Soviet Union (especially in the Ukraine) who would have gladly fought for the Nazis against the Soviets but that opportunity was lost when the Nazis acted like total dicks.

[Cristiano viejo]

Jews were the true winners.

[Acquisit0r]

Frank but there are a few facts you are disregarding:

1) if Moscow fell in December 1941 then its probable or even entirely possible that Stalin would be forced to agree to a very humiliating peace treaty where Russia would be forced to retreat to Urals or so. And would not be allowed to have an army. Stalin was too much in love with himself and loved power to such an extent that he would likely had agreed to such a deal.
Without the crucial American aid during the first year of the war I think theres a significant chance that Hitlers army would had taken Moscow.

2) being dicks towards Slavs would be ok. Imagine Hitler wins the war abd forces Stalin to sign a treaty. Then Hitler distributes large packs of the land to any "aryan" taker from any "aryan" country. "Hey you, want 10 square miles if very fertile Ukrainian soil and 100 slaves for you to fuck and to command?" Then please relocate. Taxes on your income are to be paid to Germany.

What would the US do in this situation? My point is: seeing the red army and Hitler fight each other into exhaustion would be a speculative bet. Too risky imo. Any peace treaty between the two would had backfired.

You can't control foreign territory for the long run unless you have a significant portion of the people on your side.

My current countrymen disagree. I mean Congo is only what? 50-100 times larger than Belgium? Sure, millions of those slav(e)s had to die but so what..

[grecoroman]

The real winners were the globalists.

[Carpatz]

You're correct mostly. However I don't think it's fair to say nearly nothing. Many Americans died.

Not many at all actually. Even a relatively uninvolved country like Albania lost 2.8% of it's population while America lost 0.3%. By far the lowest among countries who were involved in the war.