Arpad dynasty Mongoloid kings. R1a DNA is irrelevant without anthropological data.

[ButlerKing]

WTF? Here we're discussing Arpad, founded the crown of Hungary, changed the Central and Eastern Europe forever, and you think it's a double standard? If a Gypsy has been a king or anything yes people would claim him, there is no double standard.

People don't claim random Asians or Genghis Khan to be European.

But aren't they central Asian origin ? that means theres as chance they were partially mongoloid. why not let a Kazakh or a Tajik claim them.


I think Tajiks being the last of the true surviving central Asian Iranians have more right to claim the legacy of original central Asians that some Anatolian turks, slav, Hungarian Balkans who claim every one of them as their own.

[ButlerKing]

These 2 are also Sargat reconstructions



Sargat battle armour:

So we can be sure there's Mongoloid elements but given the reconstructions I think they are no more than 1/4 or 1/3 Mongoloid.

"The studies of some paleoanthropological data revealed a long-term infiltration of the taiga low-skull Mongoloid elements into the population bearing the Sargat culture (Bagashev, 2000) " <---- this combined with the haplogroup studies.

[Harkonnen]

So we can be sure there's Mongoloid elements but given the reconstructions I think they are no more than 1/4 or 1/3 Mongoloid.

"The studies of some paleoanthropological data revealed a long-term infiltration of the taiga low-skull Mongoloid elements into the population bearing the Sargat culture (Bagashev, 2000) " <---- this combined with the haplogroup studies.

Yes the original Uralics had high and broad foreheads -> then they migrated to Siberia and mixed with lowskulled Siberians.

[ButlerKing]

Yes the original Uralics had high and broad foreheads -> then they migrated to Siberia and mixed with lowskulled Siberians.

Original Uralics were Mongoloid who mixed with Indo-Europeans ..... look at the directions of the Sargat culture. Haplogroup N spread from Southern China to north Siberia to central asia to Europe.

[Harkonnen]

Original Uralics were Mongoloid who mixed with Indo-Europeans ..... look at the directions of the Sargat culture.

This map is not about Sargat culture. It's from a study which I already proved to be faulty. Sargat culture spread from Volga to Siberia. It now looks like the original Sargat people had higher percentage of N1c1 than modern Siberian Ugrians and also were racially Europid -> obvious conclusion is that modern Siberian Ugrics are autosomally largely Native Siberian with some European blood from their Ugric ancestors.