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    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    They do, from results and plots i've seen they cluster slightly south of Sicilians.
    And this means that they are full blown Arabs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cybernautic View Post
    And this means that they are full blown Arabs?
    I didn't say they were.

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    I do not even think I ever met a real Maltese person ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnSmith View Post
    I do not even think I ever met a real Maltese person ever.
    I have one olde woman from Malta I thought she was Italian st first. I’ve also met a Maltese American looked like me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnSmith View Post
    I do not even think I ever met a real Maltese person ever.
    I know someone with the last name of "Malter", and at first I thought she was Maltese cause the name sounded similar to Malta, lol. (She's actually Jewish)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Maltese are more Semitic than Ashkenazi Jews linguistically and genetically. They're close to Sicilians but with additional Semitic admixture and they speak a Semitic language. Culturally they're mostly European though.
    Maltese, Ashkenazim, and Sicilians are all very close. Maltese did not gain their Semitic language independently. When Malta was settled from Sicily, Malta was considered part of Sicily, no different than say, Messina or Ragusa is today. Maltese are transplants from Agrigento and Caltanissetta and there is no genetic difference between them today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    There was a thread here regarding if they considered Ashkenazi Jews to be Semites. Many said no since their native tongue is Yiddish and they're mixed with Europeans whereas others said that yes since they're of Jewish/Semitic origin. So similar case here. The Maltese speak a Semitic language, but are of Sicilian origin. Personally, I don't see the Maltese as Semites since their recent origin is non-Semitic (Sicilian) and I also don't think they self-identify as Semitic.
    I don't agree with this interpretation. Sicilians have some Semitic ancestry themselves, and when Malta was settled from Sicily, Sicilians were speaking Arabic (Maltese is a dialect of Tunisian Arabic that was spoken in Sicily).

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    Here is a Maltese on MDLP K23. No different than western Sicily which is where they came from.


    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 35.36
    2 European_Early_Farmers 22.44
    3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 12.67
    4 Near_East 9.56
    5 North_African 9.11
    6 South_Central_Asian 5.87
    7 Subsaharian 1.49


    Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
    23 components mode.

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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 4.281728
    2 Sicilian_West_ @ 4.600732
    3 Maltese_ @ 4.879887
    4 Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 4.998295
    5 Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 5.032427
    6 Sicilian_East_ @ 5.100826
    7 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 5.573041
    8 Ashkenazi_ @ 6.178770
    9 French_Jew_ @ 7.061112
    10 Romanian_Jew_ @ 7.422740
    11 Sicilian_Center_ @ 8.446937
    12 Cretan_ @ 8.697932
    13 Italian_South_ @ 9.026125
    14 Italian_Jew_ @ 9.648549
    15 Turk_Jew_ @ 9.825107
    16 Sephardic_Jew_ @ 9.834919
    17 Greek_Athens_ @ 9.917029
    18 Italian_Abruzzo_ @ 10.146834
    19 Greek_ @ 10.430152
    20 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 10.811305

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Greek_Northwest_ +50% Moroccan_Jew_ @ 3.209592

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    I don't agree with this interpretation. Sicilians have some Semitic ancestry themselves, and when Malta was settled from Sicily, Sicilians were speaking Arabic (Maltese is a dialect of Tunisian Arabic that was spoken in Sicily).
    So do you consider the Maltese to be a Semitic folk or not? Vote in the poll

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    So do you consider the Maltese to be a Semitic folk or not? Vote in the poll
    They speak a Semitic language and have partial Semitic heritage, so yes.

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